|1||Jun 28, 2011 5:51 AM||These are features that I have used since their inception and will gravely miss then if they are gone|
|2||Jun 28, 2011 5:03 AM||Privacy is important, but I realize that bar is set by whichever viewer respects privacy the least. I would prefer that Firestorm not be that viewer.|
|3||Jun 28, 2011 4:39 AM||dont like firestorm its to much like the viewer that comes with sl|
|4||Jun 28, 2011 4:21 AM||All the ways we can see how we cheat each other are not needed. No need to make anyone sad - or tell them we have dissolved a friendship - what is the use?
I think landowners are the ones to decide if people can fly on their land! any sims are themed and a flying avi can be really out of place!|
|5||Jun 28, 2011 4:12 AM||The current effort towards being v2's interface back into v1 style is doomed to fail, especially since all v1-based viewers are ultimately going to get blocked by Linden Labs, so people in the end will have no choice but to get used to v2 style... and it'd be better to have it full v2 than a weird, half-cooked mix.|
|6||Jun 28, 2011 3:55 AM||If someone makes a deliberate choice to 'hide' something (assuming that it is private in the first place) then the viewer should honor that. If you choose to incorporate the last two, you are deliberately intruding into peoples privacy in a dangerous way.|
|7||Jun 28, 2011 3:32 AM||Respect other users rights to privacy and control how others interact on their sim|
|8||Jun 28, 2011 3:15 AM||Most of those features are something I don't use personaly, but the "sho when friendships disolved" one is a nusance. I regularly clear my lists of random invites and having people pop up with "hey why did you remove me" is anoying.|
|9||Jun 28, 2011 2:34 AM||I personally love Phoenix and Firestorm, however I've been having extremely big issues with Firestorm and just about any other viewer (except for Phoenix). The issues being, I log in for a short amount of time, and then I get disconnected. I have my suspicions that this is an issue from my internet provider. Could this be checked out somehow? D:|
|10||Jun 28, 2011 2:20 AM||so what ever landowner choices they have been made are now null and void in the new system? well thats about the WORST idea i've ever heard concerning SL and i
ve tried veiwer2. why not just make it so anyone can do anything they want, no chance of tos violations or linden$ spending? just give everyone unlimited amounts of cash for free? yeah thats what i thought! BAD IDEA!|
|11||Jun 28, 2011 1:50 AM||A certain amount of privacy is always needed|
|12||Jun 28, 2011 12:21 AM||please stop to add these "paranoia" features known form emerald viewer|
|13||Jun 28, 2011 12:10 AM||These all relate to privacy. I think privacy is VERY important.
I'm frankly a little worried that you are asking about so many privacy things. These would not be features, and collectively could discourage me from using Firestorm if implemented.|
|14||Jun 27, 2011 11:58 PM||just normal choices to be happy|
|15||Jun 27, 2011 11:53 PM||Some features can be achieved by other means: true online status can be detected by script; flying can be done by a wearing pushing object, so why not having them in the client? Notifying a dissolved friendship is really unimportant cos anyway u can see ithat in the list. But yes, pls, encrypt my IM from the LL, I dont want them to watch.|
|16||Jun 27, 2011 11:34 PM||I like my privacy and prefer to not have others find me. The only ones that would like this new viewer are the ones that have a reason to find people that are avoiding them. I am a woman. Please dont facilitate stalkers and physcos .. thx|
|17||Jun 27, 2011 11:08 PM||Not really, but for hiding online status for the friend list, good tool to use :3
and loading time for the sculpts should be faster.|
|18||Jun 27, 2011 10:47 PM||While I have selected some of these as somewhat unimportant to me, I do appreciate the features, ability to use them, and the importance of these features for others.|
|19||Jun 27, 2011 10:26 PM||please include these features|
|20||Jun 27, 2011 10:01 PM||Why can't you just change Phoenix to be in the same format as Viewer2.|
|21||Jun 27, 2011 9:55 PM||Nope|
|22||Jun 27, 2011 9:46 PM||Currently..I love Phoenix..over Firestorm...but being able to combine elements into one fantastic viewer is important to me. I have both...but have a tendency to use Phoenix more. The thing that bothers me about any V2 product is the endless double click to close windows and such...I wish not to have carpal tunnel! And I much prefer having my notices appear at the top like in the Phoenix viewer...much easier to see and react to. Having them in the lower right...things get lost much quicker.|
|23||Jun 27, 2011 9:46 PM||there are so much in phoenix that i like it simple for peope like me that are old lol from what others have told me firestorm is more like viewer 2 which i dont like its to hard to remember where everything is|
|24||Jun 27, 2011 9:34 PM||Yes because without these features someone will be selling some addon.. for a feature that can be easily added.|
|25||Jun 27, 2011 9:13 PM||n/a|
|26||Jun 27, 2011 7:48 PM||Please fix the upper left area as the task bar in Firestorm hides my Vista AO|
|27||Jun 27, 2011 7:02 PM||dissolving friendships... a lot of people ask for friendship, then forget about you.. they wouldn't even notice when you quietly trim your list... UNLESS it's shoved under their nose.. Please don't do it, it would just cause strife and bad feeling.|
|28||Jun 27, 2011 7:01 PM||Some of these features controversial as stated. What good does it do to "hide" your status from someone for example, if it can be overridden and seen anyway. Though these features cool, it does not respect what little privacy exists in this realm.|
|29||Jun 27, 2011 6:40 PM||Just because a few people don't like those features doesn't mean they shouldn't be added. Those are part of the reason I prefer phoenix.|
|30||Jun 27, 2011 6:37 PM||Dont take away features!|
|31||Jun 27, 2011 6:22 PM||it is very important to protect a users privacy, so things like online status should be honored.|
|32||Jun 27, 2011 6:14 PM||You currently can subvert no fly land by turning on the Admin menu.. you can also you external tools.. I for one would not want people flying on my land not realizing that I had a no fly zone without them making that conscious choice.. and I currently eject people who fly.. I would hate to be ejecting people who were flying and didn't even make that choice themselves.|
|33||Jun 27, 2011 5:23 PM||I don't use the invisible features, but bypassing them just causes drama. Some people use them temporarily because they're busy and don't want to waste time fielding IMs to say they're busy and then set themselves back visible- this just makes people pissy when they see they are set to not be seen by them.|
|34||Jun 27, 2011 4:59 PM||Many of these features seem like they could be considered ToS violations, though I am not certain on the exact rules for third party viewers.
Showing a friend's hidden status in particular is a feature that could have very negative impacts on relationships. Some people might be on SL, and not want to be immediately bothered by anyone, or might be in a poor mood. I personally have hidden my status from specific people who I gladly talk to on a regular basis, simply because I was in the middle of something, and did not want to be bothered. Plus, this feature would not show if it was just you, or their entire friends list they were hiding from.
As for encrypted IMs, if it's added, I would like to see it require activation from both users to apply. I do not care if others encrypt their IMs, I personally like the added security provided by the ability of LL to see my communications. I will note, however, I can see very little legal cause beyond simple paranoia for a person to need this feature. Especially given almost all games log communication for ToS enforcement.
The ability to always fly is not something that I feel should be used, but I feel it should be added, as I believe the majority of people who would bypass that restriction, usually would end up unwanted in other, more damaging ways otherwise.
The dissolving of a friendship, I can see reason to add it, and reason not to add it. I would support this feature, but there is the question of why is it not already a feature of Second Life? Does LL consider it a privacy issue? If so, it shouldn't be added. But, if it is simply LL being lazy, then there is of course, the simplicity of someone being able to save a friendship they might lose, or simply just being able to remove people they'll never see online.
Online status in profile in spite of a person specifically choosing to hide it, from every angle I can see, a violation of privacy. Though no feature will stop me from using Firestorm, I will be exceedingly disappointed to see this as a feature in any viewer, and it may stop me from recommending the viewer.|
|35||Jun 27, 2011 4:35 PM||Linden Lab seems to hold privacy concerns in nearly as much contempt as does Facebook. A viewer that adds to our privacy - and helps us avoid drama - is always going to be welcome.|
|36||Jun 27, 2011 4:00 PM||I'm sick of people hiding their status.. if i can see their real status, i know their trying to pull bullshit on me... no thanks.. if they don't want me know when they are on and feel they have to hide that shit, then they can just unfriend me.. this way i know whos worth keeping and whos not.
I have had my list totally empty.. and it turned out that they were all hiding... that SUCKS.
A lot of these features kept people from pulling crap on me.. i like flying cause some times i get stuck and it helps me get out.|
|37||Jun 27, 2011 3:51 PM||Since I use an online HUD for people who are really important to me, I almost never use the online status in profiles or on my friends list. I also don't really care if someone unfriends me . . . for someone really important, I'll be aware, for "friends" who were not really well known to me in the first place or me to them, I'd just as soon not know.|
|38||Jun 27, 2011 3:44 PM||just as we have choices in RL for privacy, we should be able to have a modicum of privacy in SL. I love the Phoenix viewer but I hate some of the features that show everyone if you are hiding from them, etc.|
|39||Jun 27, 2011 3:33 PM||I do wonder why these, of so many possibilities are what you chose to ask about|
|40||Jun 27, 2011 3:32 PM||The user should be able to control their environment. These choices put control outside of the user, compromising privacy.|
|41||Jun 27, 2011 3:18 PM||I don't care about encryption and never used it, the constant related errors used to be a pain though.|
|42||Jun 27, 2011 3:09 PM||The first two would be very helpful for working in clubs when someone needs to be covered for we'd be able to know right away without having to chase around. The second is good because I've had friends remove me, and when i go to find them, see they are no longer there. I'm not a landowner so the third doesn't effect me. The hidden status, well, I use that sometimes to get away from people and would rather them not know I'm hiding from them.|
|43||Jun 27, 2011 2:56 PM||There are lots of reasons why people choose not to appear online. Exposing them to their friends will only cause problems and cause undue offence.|
|44||Jun 27, 2011 2:20 PM||I want exactly the features I had on phoenix, no more, no less.
I don't like, don't appreciate and don't want to see anything of the V2 viewers interface.|
|45||Jun 27, 2011 2:13 PM||I have not started Firestorn yet.. but have been using phoenix for quite awhile now. Personally I dont care what the main engine is.. v1 or v2 ... I just hate the SL v2 GUI ... all I want is the v1 GUI and the back end can be anything. ... thank you|
|46||Jun 27, 2011 1:59 PM||as an xstreet vendor, i like to thank folks for buying things...it's nice to know if they are online at the time|
|47||Jun 27, 2011 1:52 PM||I use this for taking photos in Second life. Have problems with the quality of shadow settings. perhahps work on that.|
|48||Jun 27, 2011 1:44 PM||Privacy is VERY VERY important to me, i should be able to control who, including friends, can see that i am online, PERIOD, without them knowing that i have marked myself offline to them. This is one of the very few things LL has done right. Anything that compromises my privacy will cause me to stop using FS. Also FS should NOT send a notice when i dissolve a friendship with someone. It is about privacy once again.|
|49||Jun 27, 2011 1:44 PM||If people are hiding from me, I want to know.
I always hated the encrypted IMs, thought they were useless and stupid. If you're hiding your IMs from LL, why are you on SL?
I like having Always fly, makes things alot simpler.
I mainly use the LSL bridge for true online status, it helps me with being a sim Admin.
Don't care about the dissolve notices, never have, never will. Would like them to stay as a dialog pop-up though. That was nice.|
|50||Jun 27, 2011 1:38 PM||Honor the residents privacy choices as a basic principle. If I choose not to be seen, don't make it possible for me to be seen.|
|51||Jun 27, 2011 1:38 PM||Ability to fly - I am seeing a Firestorm storm similar to the RedZone fiasco. Any idiot knows if you want to fly in a no fly, just tp in while in flight, but the idiots don't bother to learn things.
Encryting ims - I see a big stinky coming from LLR about this one, they will say that if challenged in say a child porn suit they will not be able to access the offender's and victim's ims. I really don't care if LLR reads my stuff.
Dissolving friendships - I can see a whole lot of muting going on, plus it will hurt the business people who temporarily friend someone who gets upset when defriended, or annoying semi stalkers, etc.
Online status - I have a scripted device that tells me that, and we can already see it in the Calling Cards section and their profiles if we pull them up. What would be the purpose of further hidability?|
|52||Jun 27, 2011 1:21 PM||Every time I load up Firestorm I find myself missing many of the old features of Phoenix, including the old UI.|
|53||Jun 27, 2011 1:15 PM||none|
|54||Jun 27, 2011 12:46 PM||The ability to hide your online status is important to me. My reasons for wanting to do that are mine, but if i choose to do so that's my concern. The fact that you can't in Phoenix is a weakness.|
|55||Jun 27, 2011 12:38 PM||firestorm is too mutch like viewer 2 too difficult to figure out would be better if there was a viewer 1 version|
|56||Jun 27, 2011 12:34 PM||"FRIENDSHIP" should be named "CONTACTS"....using the term friendship makes it more emotional and people get upset to think you have de-friended them. Someone can still be a friend without being on the FRIENDSHIP list and indeed can be on the list WITHOUT actually being a friend; namely they are just a contact.|
|57||Jun 27, 2011 12:31 PM||Whilst the flying over land would in an ideal metaverse a great thing it allows too many opportunities for mishief making and a fast excape. I am a landowner, and prohibit flying over my land but I do allow others to walk over it without hindrance - unless they cause trouble|
|58||Jun 27, 2011 12:10 PM||none at the moment|
|59||Jun 27, 2011 11:37 AM||I like buggy phoenix but when i have to use more then 1 avi' at the time i switch to singularity. Less buggy
Hope Firestorm have all options of it some day|
|60||Jun 27, 2011 11:26 AM||no|
|61||Jun 27, 2011 11:03 AM||IM encryption is a feature only terrorists would really require.|
|62||Jun 27, 2011 10:50 AM||Just keep up the good work and don't get the viewer dumped by to too much unneeded stuff!|
|63||Jun 27, 2011 10:26 AM||I can see some social issues from adding this: Show you when your friend has hidden their online status from you. If they use Firestorm, they will also be able to see if you've hidden your online status from them. Not sure we need more drama that this would cause.|
|64||Jun 27, 2011 9:42 AM||The most important feature is to be able to hid from friends while you are logged-in.|
|65||Jun 27, 2011 8:50 AM||While the other choices are mainly information, always fly disturbs play for others, so it shouldn't be added|
|66||Jun 27, 2011 8:21 AM||I think hiding or dissolving friendships should be a more passive issue like it is now....where you can see if you look but not sending notifications. It's okay if people drift apart but notifications just make it feel more traumatic than it has to be, almost like dissolving a partnership. And would encrypting IM from LL make them hostile toward your viewer?|
|67||Jun 27, 2011 8:16 AM||A feature that can mask your online presence completely would very useful to me. Sometimes I don't want to be bothered by anyone when I'm building and texturing the things I make. The busy mode isn't enough sometimes.|
|68||Jun 27, 2011 8:11 AM||These are the only reasons I still use Phoenix and although I love V2 code and love the way Firestorm is turning out it is still not my viewer of choice and will not make a transition until all the Phoenix features are available.|
|69||Jun 27, 2011 7:46 AM||If someone has a need for privacy, you create conflict by penetrating that illusion of privacy. Just say no.|
|70||Jun 27, 2011 6:50 AM||Not particularly eager to have these, but I found them interestingly helpful in some situations..|
|71||Jun 27, 2011 6:42 AM||i think always flying should be allowed and the rest doesn't really affect me so i'm fine with the rest.|
|72||Jun 27, 2011 6:18 AM||I downloaded the beta yesterday and noticed that there is no way to change the color of your friends text, this is very frustrating when you are at a crowded place. You have to read and find your friends in the the middle of non-sense conversation. Please make it so that we can change the color of our friends chat text.|
|73||Jun 27, 2011 6:10 AM||Last one is not very clear. I think if it is a friend on your list and they dissolve the friendship only you and no one else should be able to be notified of it. I also definitely do NOT like the fact that you can see people on line when they choose to not be seen. I do many talks in SL and find it convenient to just shut every one off so they don't IM me during a meeting. Most of my friends understand anyway but still it would be nice to have the ability to appear offline in many cases.|
|74||Jun 27, 2011 5:21 AM||some of these features bypass some privacy options available to all SL users|
|75||Jun 27, 2011 3:30 AM||I think if people choose to hide online status it is much better for it to stay hidden. Equally, if someone dissolves a friendship there is no real benefit in a message being sent. The flying issue is also a big problem on historical sims, I feel - as I actively RP historically, that would definitely be an issue.|
|76||Jun 27, 2011 1:33 AM||I wont use a viewer like firestorm based off viewer2 i will and do however use phoenix.|
|77||Jun 26, 2011 11:47 PM||These are all reasons I use your viewer. I have not tried Firestorm yet. The only other viewer I used was imprudence. I didn't care for it.|
|78||Jun 26, 2011 9:13 PM||these are basic features of phoenix its what makes it phoenix and what makes people pick it over other viewers just because a few complain about them dont take them out, besides that other viewers also offer these features.|
|79||Jun 26, 2011 7:49 PM||I don't really like how most of these are set to bypass other peoples settings, however if someone has me blinded , I'd like to know so I can unfriend them. It's a policy I have. I used to have a lot of people that would add me then blind me so that they could see when I was online to keep track of me, but wouldn't ever show me that they were online or IM me or anything.|
|80||Jun 26, 2011 6:54 PM||I think its important, when creating a viewer, to respect the user's ability to choose and not infringe on these abilities. A user who chooses to hide their SL online status is doing so for a particular reason. You, as the creator of an SL viewer, should respect that user's rights and not create something that circumvents the viewers choice and essentially exposes them as a liar. Yes, its fun and games and very elementary school-ish to be able to catch somebody lying about their online status, but Phoenix should rise above this and respect individual's ability to choose, and be secure in their decision/choice. As far as encrypting IM sessions and hiding them from LL, its a terrible idea. How does one go about proving serious issues to LL if LL does not have records of conversations that took place? Some SL users are perpetuating RL crimes and there need to be verifiable records so that LL can take proper action against these people.|
|81||Jun 26, 2011 6:47 PM||1. Respect people's privacy, if they dont want to be seen online, dont show them.
2. Nice to be able to have a private chat I guess... about the downfall of LL >:) lol jk, but the thought of someone watching your private IMs is creepy, ecryption is nice
3. If the land owner disabled flying, they don't want you to fly for a reason... though truth be told I keep this feature enabled usually.
4. good to know if someone isn't your friend anymore
5. As long as it doesn't give away that they're offline, it's good to know that they might be if you need to contact them|
|82||Jun 26, 2011 6:25 PM||Seeing when someone is online is very important to me. I get a lot of inquiries and like to deal in real time rather than exchanging note cards or offline IMs. Being able to see them online by their profile has helped me immensely with my work here on SL and hope it will not be taken away.|
|83||Jun 26, 2011 6:02 PM||Over riding people's preference about being visible or invisible or status just seems unethical. People change their status for a reason with the expectation the software will respect that. Flying is often disabled to give privacy to skyboxes. Land owers set no-fly for a reason. Again respect.|
|84||Jun 26, 2011 5:51 PM||If someone doesn't want their friends to be seen online, they shouldn't be friends at all. These issues need to be brought into the open and solved or dissolved. Playing silly fuck fuck games in SL creates even more issues and anger on the part of people being led in a circle by deceitful and cowardly people.|
|85||Jun 26, 2011 5:46 PM||I love these features and beg you not to remove them|
|86||Jun 26, 2011 4:58 PM||no comments|
|87||Jun 26, 2011 4:35 PM||Generally speaking, if the SL protocols allow it, so should the viewer. Doing other wise presents an illusion of privacy (in the case of rows 1, 2 and 3 above) or control (row 4 above) that does not really exist.|
|88||Jun 26, 2011 4:30 PM||I enjoy privacy and do not like the idea of having that privacy violated either for myself or other users. I can see why this is controversal.|
|89||Jun 26, 2011 4:30 PM||Hiding IM sessions from LL could be bad news for Firestorm, in case they ever need to look at chat logs. They do have that authority. Seeing "invisible" people is just an invasion of privacy. And some land owners disallow flying for a reason, whether it's to keep certain people out of certain areas or keep their sim/parcel theme fun.|
|90||Jun 26, 2011 3:59 PM||None of them make much difference to me. I think the hiding IM sessions from LL could result in problems should something criminal occur and they needed to pull logs for some reason or another. Otherwise I'd just rather assume they have better things to do than read people's IM's.|
|91||Jun 26, 2011 3:20 PM||even if you don't add these features, there are tools out there that will provide the same utility so what's the diff?|
|92||Jun 26, 2011 2:17 PM||As you can see, I'm all about privacy!|
|93||Jun 26, 2011 12:53 PM||Privacy really has been taken away with the true online status. I'm not a fan of it.|
|94||Jun 26, 2011 12:40 PM||I love the new viewer :-)|
|95||Jun 26, 2011 11:53 AM||Friends lists can get massively huge, as for some of the more "controversial" items I'm in favor of, I use them as a gauge, to see those who may not really want to be on the list, when it comes to "thinning it".|
|96||Jun 26, 2011 10:50 AM||Honestly I have no idea what is wrong with the way the viewers are now,I build and created alot and I see the shortcuts I have programed into my keyboard and mouse do not work any more with this...simple Firestorm becomes the new viewer will go to someone else viewer...full stop|
|97||Jun 26, 2011 10:33 AM||Consider that privacy is important to many. . . even if the vote may not go that way, being to be online and not have others know can be a big privacy issue.|
|98||Jun 26, 2011 10:03 AM||Thanks for working so hard on this viewer!|
|99||Jun 26, 2011 9:50 AM||Note on the dissolving, in my case I believe this is not necessary and may just create drama. I am not too worried about it but perhaps that is one that should die with v1.
The online status hiding/accurate online in profiles I have rated V important as though I am an LSL scripter who therefore could obtain online status an alternative way and thus by elimination surmise it being hidden I do not see why an extra script should have to run and a HUD be attached for something more easily added to the bridge esp with memory limits approaching. Also, why should this information be available only to the highly technical seems unfair to me.
Always fly is a necessary one for me, use it on my own region where I have block fly set at the region level which seems to affect EO's also but there is no other way to enforce it on the rented parcels. Landowners are of course free to deal with persons using it on their land as they see fit, a scripted object could detect AGENT_FLYING from unauthorized persons and automatically warn/eject. The feature is valid when used responsibly , not having it is hardly a security feature those needing such should invest in an alternative method of securing against those who will find a way even if that way is hacking out and compiling their own viewer.|
|100||Jun 26, 2011 9:42 AM||When I try to use other viewers, I can't stand them because I miss the features offered on Phoenix.. you have me SPOILED! Now if only we could see other avi's IP addresses because I have people griefing my club, and I wish I could defend my investments|
|101||Jun 26, 2011 8:48 AM||I like the power of Phoenix, and the potential of Firestorm. As an estate manager, the functionality of your viewer(s) have enabled me to avoid some costly inworld purchases in SL, and easily maintain a similar level of control on other grids. I like the ability to customize, picking and choosing which features to use at any particular time, and often change my preferences.|
|102||Jun 26, 2011 8:30 AM||There are too many cases of stalkers in SL and too many horror stories. Player's that use the options should have their privacy respected and protected|
|103||Jun 26, 2011 7:50 AM||the open friendship dissolving creates so much sadness.....
maybe make it possible to toggle it on/off|
|104||Jun 26, 2011 7:33 AM||These features are part of what drew me to Phoenix Viewer in the first place. Of course it's stability is also a major factor. I have never used the official Linden viewers because I have found them to be too unstable in the past.|
|105||Jun 26, 2011 6:38 AM||Overall I think you've done a great job with Firestorm and I'm very pleased with the viewer.|
|106||Jun 26, 2011 6:12 AM||If people choose to do things, I don't think you should have the automatic opportunity to get round it, if you want to set as not online you should be able to wander off quietly.. not be forced to create another av to do it.|
|107||Jun 26, 2011 5:52 AM||I think all of these features should be optional. Some people want them some people don't. Especially the last two they seem REALLY intrusive. Some users want their privacy and that should be respected.|
|108||Jun 26, 2011 5:35 AM||Encrypted chat allows for personal freedom of expression without worry of unintended chat capture. Flying on sims where you are designated not to fly just allows avatars to go in restricted areas by the sim owner and disrespects the wishes of the person paying the bill for the sim. But is available through other means. So I do not feel strongly about it. Last ones just create drama, but not a reason not to use the viewer for me.|
|109||Jun 26, 2011 5:00 AM||Most of these functions can be substituted through other means (e.g. showing online status), so adding them does no real harm. For exactly that reason, adding them is not a priority, either.|
|110||Jun 26, 2011 4:27 AM||I think you should apply as much privacy as possible.|
|111||Jun 26, 2011 4:23 AM||Not mut to chose but what to choose is important to have|
|112||Jun 26, 2011 3:51 AM||Your suggestions dont very 'in the spirit' of second life. Most seem to invasions of privacy.|
|113||Jun 26, 2011 3:35 AM||Firestorm is awesome... I don't find currently anything to add.
Most important for me is that Firestorm is faster (in my eyes) and more stable... that's most important for me :)|
|114||Jun 26, 2011 3:05 AM||I have issues when people hide their online status from me, infact I find it quite hurtful when they do, so I would honestly prefer not to know.|
|115||Jun 26, 2011 2:40 AM||since it has been presented as viewer2 I will not use it at all|
|116||Jun 26, 2011 2:35 AM||keep up the good work ;-)|
|117||Jun 26, 2011 2:21 AM||apart from encryption issue - these questions seem a bit facebooky and aimed at the sort of people I dont want to see in SL|
|118||Jun 26, 2011 1:49 AM||radar|
|119||Jun 26, 2011 1:10 AM||Friendship dissolution message = unnecessary drama. Exposing people as online when they want to be "invisible" is just annoying at best.|
|120||Jun 26, 2011 1:09 AM||These features are nice to have, but not important at first. Please work or more important features first like DoF and other features related to main functionality. I want to use Firestorm as my main client, but this is one of the things that I need to do so.|
|121||Jun 26, 2011 12:37 AM||Keep privacy private. People have good reasons to want to 'hide' in Second Life. Depriving them of that privacy will only cause problems. Don't give in to the "Privacy in SL is an illusion" crowd.|
|122||Jun 26, 2011 12:14 AM||People who own or rent their land should have control over said land, that is what they are paying for. If they don't want people to fly or teleport or push, etc, it is because that is the vision they are trying to realize and immerse themselves into. Secondarily, privacy is a core value in Second Life.|
|123||Jun 25, 2011 11:16 PM||I run Kirstens Viewer, it is really a class act...but i'm not SLI right now so her viewer is just to much for a EVGA480ShopOverclock, and V2 keeps blacking out beyond the UI...Phoenix...like Emerald, did not have the Outfit tabs for Quick changes or phased dress, like taking your coat off or jumping on a rezzable motorcycle and riding off, when you otherwise do not. permissions on the land. thank you for including this simple pleasure...though the latest from phoenix has the tabs now, why use it while there is Firestorm...right. Some of the functions are chancy, can't drag owned objects into the folder I want them after opening...the take command performs the same as open...artifacts are amazing in variety and size.
But it's all cool this is a Beta...all I use are Beta's Kirstens just threw the 8RC3 into the mix...but prior to that RC2a,b,c Beta...crash'a holic death touch from hades. V2 always a Beta...always use it. Tank You for having a Beta for me to enjoy...let the Imprudence folks choose where to go to lunch ondce in a while.|
|124||Jun 25, 2011 10:51 PM||Privacy in SL is hard enough as is without making you always visible. There are times I need to get on and get off without being rude to my friends by not saying hello. In RL when you get up to get a cup of coffee, you don't (hopefully) have the entire world looking in your window!|
|125||Jun 25, 2011 10:37 PM||Please Keep the UI as it is. Things that take up room from the viewer, If it has to be added, let it be up to the user, specific to his or her taste. Please keep the UI clean and uncluttered.|
|126||Jun 25, 2011 10:22 PM||2.x GUI is bad and less intuitive than the 1.x. If anything could be done about that - good.|
|127||Jun 25, 2011 10:18 PM||I love that I can see who has me on hide if ppl have me on hide I don't need them cluttering my friends list :)|
|128||Jun 25, 2011 10:12 PM||no|
|129||Jun 25, 2011 9:53 PM||Before Firestorm started I thought alot people will refuse to use it. Now its already way better than snowglobe based viewers and soooo many people are looking forward to use it... you guys are amazing|
|130||Jun 25, 2011 9:43 PM||Nothing at all earth-shaking here.|
|131||Jun 25, 2011 7:20 PM||if im hiding i do not want someone to know that defeats the whole point i mean who came up with that idea, and i really do not want people to fly into my sky box which they can not if no fly allowed so that's also silly i am not sure who came up with these ideas but sounds like stuff that would allow people to grief others and that's just not right i think if you want people to use your service to not allow things that allow people to get griefed|
|132||Jun 25, 2011 6:59 PM||I feel that seeing someone's online status when they have clearly chosen to be hidden is a violation of privacy and the feature should be left out. I never did like it when i started showing up in the previous builds of Emerald or Phoenix.
If a person has chosen to be hidden, no one has a right to override that and know someone's true online status. It's invasion of privacy plain and simple. Please focus on more useful features.|
|133||Jun 25, 2011 6:34 PM||Allow Firestorm users' IM sessions to be encrypted and hidden from Linden Lab ??? general users would like im sure the bigger issue is when its necessary for or to assist in a legal/lawful court proceding sunder a judicial order phoenix and linden have to protect themselves because the communication transfer systems are covered in some way or tied to wire fraud case law and what about general right to protect themselves from unknowlly be used in a criminal or unlawful manner and thats discovered at a future date almost certainly theres extended liability im sure the veiwer team has looked at there exposure have fun with it stagey|
|134||Jun 25, 2011 5:46 PM||why buffer those things, the fact remains that if someone removes you from friends list, then it is better if you are aware, and not bother them/with them.|
|135||Jun 25, 2011 5:44 PM||i hate haveing to walk foever to get to a store thats at the end of a mall just because they want you to look at the other stores, if i know which one I am going to I dont want to look at the others so flying to it is eaiser since they usually have a landing point and you cant double click tp to it. It is always nice to see when a shop owner is online if you have questions for them rather than having to send "are you online" messages over and over, and i would rather talk to someone than use notecards or risk "capped ims"|
|136||Jun 25, 2011 5:37 PM||well hiding from friends and them not knowing it can be useful. maybe you just dont want to deal with them or perhaps you are working and can not be disturbed. I can imagine the messages coming in already. "Why are you hiding from me" "I am removing you friend my friends list" or "obviously you don't want to talk to me" please watch me loose hair and pull it out in frustration now as I try and smooth peoples ruffled feathers in SL. have to do that enough of the time without this feature. I am dreading it. Many reasons to hide. A person keeps telling you all their problems and you need a break from it. someone wont leave you alone... you just want to build something in peace without getting messages and I am sure there are many other reasons too. I will have to stop using firestorm with this feature. will drive me out of SL possibly and into a permanent alt.|
|137||Jun 25, 2011 5:36 PM||If the "spy abilities" of phoenix are gone from the grid when it is finally gone it is ok to lose the abilities on firestorm. If they are still available on another viewer however I will feel at a disadvantage without it.|
|138||Jun 25, 2011 5:36 PM||I think having IM sessions which are open to LL reduces the amount of drama and abuse that might otherwise flow too freely!|
|139||Jun 25, 2011 5:34 PM||I wouldn't object to an Always Fly option, as long as it didn't override a landowner's no-fly zones.|
|140||Jun 25, 2011 5:27 PM||Privacy is key, my only concession about friendship dissolve is because this is a common feature with social sites. Being able to hide status from individuals should not be over-ridden. The encryption for me is not important and from past experiences caused IM chat errors for me even when I had that option unchecked.|
|141||Jun 25, 2011 5:24 PM||Respect others' wishes. If they wish to not be seen or hide their online status, and this is a feature LL has included, do not circumvent it. This just seems like common sense. Focus on features to make the experience better, not infringe on someone else's decision to exercise their right to privacy.|
|142||Jun 25, 2011 4:42 PM||Friendship & stealth of online is a fairly important piece of social interaction. I don't really object to someone temporarily going stealthed for a period, but to friend me and then always show offline I consider rude, and prefer to be able to see whether it's deliberate (they've marked themselves to not show online status) vs them just not being online much. Same goes for dissolving of friendships - being upfront about these things is often more polite than guesswork. Information helps you know where you stand.|
|143||Jun 25, 2011 4:22 PM||My biggest concern is that it will eventually just be an exact copy of Viewer two and I HATE viewer two. Please just Always keep it better then LL's Viewer.|
|144||Jun 25, 2011 4:05 PM||Theres really no good reason to hide from anyone. If you dont want someone to see you take them off your list.
If I cant fly at a sim that Im shopping at I leave. Sim owners should realize its about making it easy for people to shop.|
|145||Jun 25, 2011 3:38 PM||People should be allowed the freedom to manage their privacy. These freedoms should never be bypassed. The one exception to this is where illegal acts could be carried out by an enabled user. Hence I'm all for allowing people to choose if they wish to hide anything about themselves from each other, but encrypting chat to where it cannot be read by others is crossing the line. Most common would be age-play, and we know LL will crush anything that would lead to another media circus on this subject. But there also exists the possibility of organizing RL illegal activities. This would be yet another reason for LL banning a viewer with this feature.|
|146||Jun 25, 2011 3:32 PM||Deliberately taking away peoples privacy is not ideal. If they want to be seen then fine, but if not they should have the choice.|
|147||Jun 25, 2011 3:31 PM||I am a privacy freak so i want my IM's encrypted as I cannot trust the integrity of LL. If i wish to speak to someone on the phone in RL I do not want to have the conversation eaves dropped and judgements made by ignorant third parties about my subject matter even if it is the price of french fries - its my opinion, my intellectual rights, my privacy. Losing encryption would be a huge loss considering past behaviors exhibited by extremist minorities.|
|148||Jun 25, 2011 3:20 PM||In regards to the choice about flying. I would think that you could still double-click teleport either in-world or on the map to get around quickly.|
|149||Jun 25, 2011 3:00 PM||respect linden labs choices is the most ethical way I think|
|150||Jun 25, 2011 2:48 PM||I think your all a bunch of fucking thieves if you want to know about it. Suck it faggots! CK Winx is a homo! lololololoooolollol!!!|
|151||Jun 25, 2011 2:38 PM||WILL NOT USE A VIEWER WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO FLY ANYWHERE!!!|
|152||Jun 25, 2011 2:37 PM||On these specific choices no|
|153||Jun 25, 2011 2:17 PM||with multi viewer enabled Firestorm crashes more than with Phoenix and Firestorm at once. Two firestorm viewers in mac so far cannot be given the normal add of a second copy of a file to be integrated with applications folder otherwise the viewer is more stable and better performing than the past five LL viewers as none of them could login a single account when my computer is above their recommended requirements.|
|154||Jun 25, 2011 2:16 PM||Builder tools rate higher!
And the admin tools (ban kick and so out out of radar )people)|
|155||Jun 25, 2011 1:39 PM||if one makes a choice not to be seen you shouldn't spy oin them. If Someone does not want flying on their land, that is good enough for me|
|156||Jun 25, 2011 12:57 PM||I value my chat conversation.
I don't want LL to take a peak.
I dont care about people seeing my online status so I rather have true online status viewer|
|157||Jun 25, 2011 12:20 PM||It would be best if Firestorm had all the features of the current Phoenix.|
|158||Jun 25, 2011 12:09 PM||some privacy is necessary to enjoy our SL as we see fit. As to online status in profile it is just a convenience if you about to im or know to leave a notecard instead.|
|159||Jun 25, 2011 12:09 PM||A landowner should be able to control, to some extent what happens on his land. Allow someone to fly when that ability has been disabled is ludicrous. Although it annoys me when i can't when i want to, on someone else's land I have to respect their wishes.|
|160||Jun 25, 2011 12:05 PM||i think if we choose to be hidden from certain people that should be respected.|
|161||Jun 25, 2011 12:02 PM||Given the history of where Phoenix and Firestorm came from privacy considerations should weigh heavily on you.|
|162||Jun 25, 2011 11:45 AM||As seen from the answers, you are already down to the less important features. Great work so far!|
|163||Jun 25, 2011 11:35 AM||I have no issue with these features. You can always find out if people are on line by checking their groups anyway. And the friendship thing? Well, if you friend them in the first place, have the guts to let them know they are off your list.|
|164||Jun 25, 2011 11:29 AM||Always allow fly is nice to alot of people, but can also be something to annoy people and or be seen as a griefing tool to some people.|
|165||Jun 25, 2011 11:25 AM||i have nothing to hide so above choice need not apply|
|166||Jun 25, 2011 11:12 AM||SL is a social environment. People should not have to hide from friends. They can chose to unfriend and mute people they completely want to avoid. That said, its not that big a deal to me if people want to do it. Visitors are guests of sim creators/owners. If the owner want's a sim to be no-fly, such as in a roleplaying sim for example, guests should not be able to override that. Anyone who has a problem with that can go somewhere else.|
|167||Jun 25, 2011 11:05 AM||I'm a big fan of personal privacy. If someone doesn't want me to know they are online then they should have the right to do so.|
|168||Jun 25, 2011 10:34 AM||I like most of the features already in the Phoenix Viewer; I would like to see the same in Firestorm (just refined).|
|169||Jun 25, 2011 10:25 AM||Not sure why the developers would want to remove the ability of the user to be "invisible" but I would not use Firestorm if it removes this option for privacy.|
|170||Jun 25, 2011 9:58 AM||I'd rather people not know if I've chosen to hide my online status from them via a casual glance at their friendslist. I think that causes unnecessary drama when most often the reason I'm hiding from them is just that they tend to IM a lot and I'm busy and don't want to be disturbed. If someone is so paranoid they bring up my profile to double-check, on the other hand -- fine, whatever, let them see. If they harangue me about it, I know they're looking for drama and can adjust my expectations accordingly.|
|171||Jun 25, 2011 9:37 AM||Is important to know when others are hiding from you, for whatever reason.|
|172||Jun 25, 2011 9:32 AM||Flying when flight is turned off should not be available. Some sim owners have flight turned off for RP purposes, as well as security purposes. Being able to fly even when that's turned off could be considered an exploit.|
|173||Jun 25, 2011 9:18 AM||If someone chooses to be "invisible for someone" leave them to be invisible. Respect their privacy. Worse enough that even lindens don't accept this kind of privacy with their LSL functions.|
|174||Jun 25, 2011 9:16 AM||the side bar pullouts on the screen reminds me too much of the spamming popouts we get when shopping on webpages, although controlable, the look gives that feel, it lends further to a gaming feel than the old way|
|175||Jun 25, 2011 9:03 AM||AFAIK the llRequestAgentData function makes hiding online status irrelevant. No-fly is also overridable with some flight assists.|
|176||Jun 25, 2011 9:02 AM||a lot of these features will be hurtful to some on a more personal level so please be careful with them!|
|177||Jun 25, 2011 8:58 AM||and if you can please move the icons on the lower toolbar so that the info on chat/items/groupnotices comes to the left.. not right as it is now..|
|178||Jun 25, 2011 7:25 AM||About me:
I've been using SL since late 2006
I've created and sold content.
I've been lead manager of a "night club" which paid the whole sim tier for almost a year (which included day to day operations, advertisements, and making business choices for this club and sim)
And I've done land, mall, and resident rental management.
I'm not trying to say my opinions are "more valid" :), Just outlining my experiences; I've had to deal with both residents and Linden Labs alike (In a friendly, cooperative manner).
That said; While i personally don't see any particular reason to hide IM's from LL at the moment, I do think that this feature is imperative for the future, such as, if LL is sold to another company, you'll already have a reliable and functional IM encryption. While they very well could shut down Third Party Viewers altogether, I think an added layer of protection is always nice.
Regarding online status: I hide my on-line status from people often, because, I like a nice quiet working environment, while I can use "busy mode" and IM responses, I think stealth is an even easier way of dealing with "friendly pestering" x3. I'm not quite sure why it's so important to people to know if someone is "ghosting" them or not. I've never cared really.
Flight: This one is a big one for me, Not because I like the idea of breaking other peoples rules, it is their sim after all ... BUT ... The alternative is to use a scripted object for most people, which in my opinion even gives an unfair advantage AND creates excess "garbage market", IE scriptwriters charging exorbitant rates for effortless products that only serve to circumvent rules or privacy.|
|179||Jun 25, 2011 7:15 AM||The ability to see when others are online is one of the reasons why I started using Phoenix...I think it should also be added to Firestorm. It's good to know, even if you don't always act on it. Thanks|
|180||Jun 25, 2011 6:29 AM||I value my privacy, if i am hidden from view i don't want anyone to know it, i also don't care for the drama that will ensue if i decide to clean up my friendlist. On the same note, i value other peoples privacy as well, don't want to see them online if they are hidden and don't want to be notified when i'm deleted off of someones friendlist.|
|181||Jun 25, 2011 6:25 AM||Getting notification of dissolved friendships is only good for raising blood pressure, or stalking... if you don't notice that a friend isn't in your list anymore, then you aren't that much of a friend to them.|
|182||Jun 25, 2011 6:06 AM||Knowing who is hiding their online status is quite important to me. Just because so many "friends" seem to do that for no particular reason so when someone does this i remove them from my list. Not knowing who does would actually annoy me. I can live without it but it definately was a plus in phoenix|
|183||Jun 25, 2011 5:51 AM||no :-)|
|184||Jun 25, 2011 5:46 AM||Although I am one of those who never hides their online status (I mean, I feel if you need to hide from someone it probably means you need to end the friendship instead) it does seem counter-intuitive to have a facility to hide whilst online, then you to have a facility in Firestorm to unhide those hiding.|
|185||Jun 25, 2011 4:35 AM||It does all I want, as for the above questions, they override others wishes, bad all bad. The last one, You should NOT defeat a land owners wishes, If they set to no fly then NO FLY|
|186||Jun 25, 2011 3:20 AM||Regarding hiding online status, whilst it would be fantastic to be able to, the reality is, that if others are using different viewers, it won't matter what Firestorm does to protect online status.They can still tell through other means.|
|187||Jun 25, 2011 12:58 AM||Security is very important to be I will go back to Phoenix or another viewer entirely without OTR|
|188||Jun 24, 2011 11:45 PM||why , when a person. has gone to the effort of wanting, as in my case some quiet time. to wonder around sl. without being disturbed. your goning to show they are. sorry but thats stupid. we all like to take a break from friends. no matter how much we like them. now your not given us a choice. if you add that. yes i know. i can switch back to say viewer 2. so i guess i am afraid. that will have to be the way. which is a shame. as i have used all your viewers. and loved them for their usefulness. could you make it so its like a opition. that you can stay hidden.for exsample|
|189||Jun 24, 2011 10:07 PM||The invasion of privacy features are deal-breakers. I would not only not use Firestorm, I would stop using SL if it became that huge of a privacy concern based on those two features. You should be ashamed to have even considered them.|
|190||Jun 24, 2011 10:06 PM||OTR is very important in the business I provide on SL. If a griefer can intercept our private chat that could mean potential loss of business for me, as the nature of what I provide is Mature and confidential, and they may not want others to know.|
|191||Jun 24, 2011 8:44 PM||people should be able to control data about them. and some laws should be enforceable. if you don't like a landowner's rules, don't go to their land.|
|192||Jun 24, 2011 8:20 PM||Allowing "always fly" would infringe on landowners rights and allow griefers to do further griefing. Anyone who needs a place to fly has a number of locations to do so besides at private land where the owners desire the 'no-fly' feature.|
|193||Jun 24, 2011 8:08 PM||I think it has its good and its bad, I hate the profile view layout, chat and for builders/creators like me, it makes it harder, more time consuming, not object IDs, etc, so as a builder, I wouldnt use it|
|194||Jun 24, 2011 8:05 PM||I like the Combination of v2 and v1 .. it blends well.. your team has done a great job.. I have used it a little so far and I like it! and I didnt like v2 from Linden Labs.. was not something I want to ever use.|
|195||Jun 24, 2011 7:36 PM||nope|
|196||Jun 24, 2011 7:21 PM||Most of those concerns are the equivalent of civil concerns in 1st life, but working in features such allowing people to fly on land where the owner or renter otherwise actually would most likely be paying real money for it seems that Firestorm is borderline going back to its roots where the most people who used it were grievers. This may not set well with LL and that combined with hiding logs from LL could work you off the third party viewer list again, no matter how many users you get to say they want it.|
|197||Jun 24, 2011 7:15 PM||I like knowing.|
|198||Jun 24, 2011 7:03 PM||Many of these could easily be preferences. It would be good to let the user have the choice to implement it in the viewer or not. It shouldnt be one or the other.|
|199||Jun 24, 2011 6:10 PM||I feel that encryption on IMs is a choice that should be left to the user rather than flat out removed. Always fly is nice since it can also be achieved via worn vehicle, and the rest can all be achieved via scripted objects, taking them out would leave a lot of people at the mercy of others who have those scripts or force them to buy those scripts themselves. And with any scripted object comes additional features, bonuses and extras that turn them into really awesome stalker tools. Leave well enough alone and let people depend on the viewer for these things, the drama levels are easily managed by the users.|
|200||Jun 24, 2011 5:12 PM||I won't use or support a viewer that subverts peoples privacy settings. If people don't want to be seen online then they have reasons for that, don't disrespect peoples privacy.|
|201||Jun 24, 2011 5:07 PM||Privacy settings should be respected. Hiding the online status from friends can have many reasons. Showing the friends that I'm online after all makes hiding the online status a bit pointless. Dissolving friendship however affects both (the person dissolving and the person being deleted from the contact list), so it is only fair to add that feature.|
|202||Jun 24, 2011 4:50 PM||These are not very important isssues to me.|
|203||Jun 24, 2011 4:35 PM||regarding not shpwing things, if a person does so they must have a reason at the particular time, why not let then have that right?|
|204||Jun 24, 2011 4:26 PM||Invasion of privacy much? Geeez|
|205||Jun 24, 2011 4:18 PM||As far as seeing people online. An invisible mode would be nice, but since there are so many bugs around it in various clients, may as well add it. It'd be nice if they'd fix it on the server. OTR support is really needed. It helps people to know that their ims really aren't private otherwise. Many people probably think ims are totally private.|
|206||Jun 24, 2011 4:11 PM||Users should be allowed maximum privacy from other users.|
|207||Jun 24, 2011 4:06 PM||It's beyond me why you'd want to take away a land owners right to stop someone flying over their land. I also fail to see why you'd want to cause potential conflicts by allowing anyone to see that someone has hidden their online status. i know people can check that via profile currently but many dont. It would be an invasion of my privacy for people to know i was intentionally hiding from them, when all i want to do is slip in and out of sl briefly for work purposes.|
|208||Jun 24, 2011 4:03 PM||Peoples privacy should be protected as should their freedom.|
|209||Jun 24, 2011 3:16 PM||I think its simply about respecting others. For example if they don't want to appear online to me, fine, then I don't want to circumvent that.
The only fair alternative would be to also remove such features altogether fro the viewer, aka no hiding possible. But Firestorm should still honor such requests from other browsers.|
|210||Jun 24, 2011 3:00 PM||Not really. The goal of Firestorm should be to undo the damage inflicted by Viewer 2's lousy design. Put everything back where it belongs, and add all the extras from Phoenix.
So far so good. Don't stop now.|
|211||Jun 24, 2011 2:53 PM||Need to be able to change text colours. the default brown for object text is very hard to read.|
|212||Jun 24, 2011 2:23 PM||I am fairly easy going, and as long as the windlight and build features are the same as, or better than, the ones in Phoenix, I am likely to use Firestorm.|
|213||Jun 24, 2011 2:03 PM||Firestorm users will not be allowed on many sims I go to if the allow flight is added|
|214||Jun 24, 2011 1:49 PM||yes had lots of builds tool firestorm needs them bad|
|215||Jun 24, 2011 1:48 PM||I think it's best left up to the user if they want to display their status, blanket features like these could be used for stalking and griefing|
|216||Jun 24, 2011 1:40 PM||Thank you for coding! X|
|217||Jun 24, 2011 1:21 PM||Make it like emergence and phoenix used to be. It is such a huge help to have a client like that. I really like it when moderating a sim. The Lindens have no clue they just work there they do not use secondlife that is why their client suxs so bad. Make it like phoenix and more...thank you for all your hard work.|
|218||Jun 24, 2011 1:11 PM||Windows of friendlist and others didnt save there size yet (after relog again very small)
ctrl+shift+f not longer open friendlist directly in a seperate undocked window|
|219||Jun 24, 2011 12:57 PM||FireStorm is doing great can't wait for other updates.|
|220||Jun 24, 2011 11:40 AM||dont override the privacy choices of other users. tell LL about the possibilities and request them to fix them. i concern bad user expirence which lead to the loss of SL users.|
|221||Jun 24, 2011 10:37 AM||A person's desire to hide their online status from others is a useful and rather important feature.|
|222||Jun 24, 2011 10:15 AM||Ctrl Alt V is already in Firestorm so why is this question being asked?
Hiding conversations, IM from LL is a nono in my book. LL, as owners, have the right to see any conversations taking place in their creation. So hiding it will mean, when in disagreement and abuse repots filed, that it is in essence a "resident dispute" and therefore any abuse reports will not be solved|
|223||Jun 24, 2011 10:04 AM||As avatars, we should be allowed some 'stealth mode' online. Dissolving freiendships tosses cards into trash as is it, so no secret there, its good to know if we got dumped, but the ability to log in and be online without everyone having the privledge to know is more of a feature then the 'featur'e to show them online regardless IMHO.|
|224||Jun 24, 2011 9:59 AM||I really don't see the point of hiding communications from LL, and attribute that need to people who are violating LL's Terms. Let them go on Yahoo , or GoogleTalk if they really need to talk about something that LL must know know about.|
|225||Jun 24, 2011 9:47 AM||Sometimes it is nice to log onto SL and do my building without interruption. Also I prefer to shop alone in peace, and quiet without having to talk to people constantly, so that I can focus on what I am buying and take my time exploring the amazing selections.
There are also times when I am unhappy, or upset, or some other emotional drivel. and I do not wish to pass it around in Second Life.
I enjoy my friends here, but my personal me time is valuable too.
In real I do not have to call all my friends to tell them I am taking a time out in my life. Why would you wish make it necessary to have to do it here?
Why make it necessary for us to have to contact hundreds of people, just so that we can tell them that we would like to have an uninterrupted day or time? We all know that to do so would create a hundred question and answer periods.
In real if I wanted to be alone and uninterrupted for a while, I can turn off the cell phone, unplug my land line and not answer the door.
Imagine if the Telephone Company arranged so that I could not stop the phone from ringing, or if locks on doors did not exist. Privacy is important as an option, even in a Second Life.
I suggest many people would be hurt if you were to go ahead with your plans to eradicate such privacy from SL.
If a person feels they are not given the attention they expect they may, due to human nature, assume the worst and either feel angry or sad.
I have noticed that humanity has grown to enjoy creating upset, and viewing the pain of others.
Surely those who created Phoenix are not part of this primitive trend.|
|226||Jun 24, 2011 9:13 AM||I like the way you make the viewer and will for sure use it.|
|227||Jun 24, 2011 8:39 AM||I wish it would be more user friendly like Phoenix is. Im not happy with the new format. :(|
|228||Jun 24, 2011 8:06 AM||You should NEVER override the settings that a resident has made.
I feel that implementing Numbers 1, 2 and 4 is ethically WRONG!
If I choose to hid my information or if I choose not to allow flying on MY land, WHO are you to override those decisions?|
|229||Jun 24, 2011 7:58 AM||i belong to a private group and we have fly off naturally to keep our plot private as what is the point of private if anyone can get in recently we have had a rash of people in many new who have been told to use firestorm or phoenix as it is better then v2 and well these people tend to fly now we try to ask them not to but many have gotten just really nasty our group hates the fact that people keep flying in and then being rude to us so if you could do something would be nice i have spoken to people in the group and most all have fly off on their home parcels and so many love phoenix and its features save for that one so i hope you will listen and take it off thank you|
|230||Jun 24, 2011 7:45 AM||Privacy when someone sees you hidden your online status it could probably end a friendship i don't know why ANYONE would add that.. it only causes problems|
|231||Jun 24, 2011 7:34 AM||As a builder , I find Firestorm to offer no benefit to using . With Mesh coming out in a limited use in July and a full roll out in August with no mesh support . I have no reasons to use Firestorm , It'll be no better off then a 1.23 viewer one, third viewer since neither will allow for viewing mesh .This would indicate Firestorm is a Fail.|
|232||Jun 24, 2011 7:23 AM||friendships dissolve notifications could lead to fights, better never know and live in peace.|
|233||Jun 24, 2011 7:07 AM||These along with the Radar and the AO feature are the most important to me|
|234||Jun 24, 2011 5:14 AM||I hate the profil design in firestorm its like in viewer2, i want the old profiles
IM messages and so.. should not appear in the right upper corner as usaual
why copy something fronm the viewer 2 UI?? it´s tooo bad!!
i will not use firestorm if it looks like viewer 2|
|235||Jun 24, 2011 5:06 AM||1st,2nd & 5th just seem like ways to encourage drama. People have valid reasons to want to appear offline, why not just let them be?|
|236||Jun 24, 2011 4:39 AM||privacy is critical above everything else. If someone chooses to hide/be private that has to be accepted.
the rights of landowners to run a sim they way want have to be obeyed except where it contradicts the right to privacy.|
|237||Jun 24, 2011 4:24 AM||keep your features according to SL TOS.
End-to-End encryption of IM without the use of LSL could be considered as a violation against the TPV Policy 2.g, since "asset" could also include IMs.|
|238||Jun 24, 2011 3:45 AM||Let's respect landowners' wishes for their land and people's privacy, shall we? It's just common courtesy, after all. And please do not do anything to hide things from LL. I just really don't want to see Firestorm or Phoenix go the way of Emerald.|
|239||Jun 24, 2011 1:25 AM||Please keep as much of the Phoenix GUI as you can. I love it and at least I can find my way around in it, unlike that peice of crap SL Veiwer2 :)|
|240||Jun 24, 2011 1:12 AM||I like the freedom that phoenix gives me, as such I like to be able to fly, but to disappear or appear off line.|
|241||Jun 24, 2011 1:05 AM||Keep the GUI as close to Phoenix as you can please. I love the Phoenix interface and not a lot needs changing :)|
|242||Jun 24, 2011 12:35 AM||At this time Firestorm need more resources on my pc then Phoenix, in phoenix i can set all to maximum, same settings on Firestorm seam more expensive.|
|243||Jun 23, 2011 11:37 PM||leave these features in and let the user decide if they wish to engage it|
|244||Jun 23, 2011 11:11 PM||Well if you can make it so Firestorm is better then Phoenix as in clouds and staying a cloud to where nothing attaches not even test male or female works, If you can fix that major problem that seems to be happening alot lately that would get me sold to use Firestorm over Phoenix.|
|245||Jun 23, 2011 10:11 PM||N/a|
|246||Jun 23, 2011 9:44 PM||Privacy is essential! Please do not forget this!|
|247||Jun 23, 2011 9:37 PM||Fix the bug so we can teleport to people 1000+ in the air to skyboxes
|248||Jun 23, 2011 9:02 PM||Showing if someone is online is very important, and saves lag, as it can be done with a script anyway.|
|249||Jun 23, 2011 8:41 PM||Not sure whether I want or don't want the first choice. If other viewers can do it, then I think it's better to have.|
|250||Jun 23, 2011 8:12 PM||Encrypting IMs from Linden Labs is bad because LL needs to be able to check them if things get ugly in an IM.
The reason anybody would choose to not be shown when they're online is because they don't want to be shown when they're online. Showing them online in their profiles anyway would be counter-intuitive.
Likewise, the reason I hide my status from someone is because I don't want to be bothered. Announcing to them that I've hidden them invites them to bother me about it.
And knowing that people will get a notice if I've de-friended them will make me very, very afraid to de-friend them.|
|251||Jun 23, 2011 7:57 PM||not really any comments. I can see why those features would be controversial.|
|252||Jun 23, 2011 6:47 PM||These seem to be all about privacy and such. I believe that Privacy should be maintained but that it shouldn't be an excuse to keep advancements at bay.|
|253||Jun 23, 2011 6:34 PM||I would rather not have it broadcast to everyone I know if I want some alone time with my special someone. Especially the ones that like to cam-perv.
If someone wants to fly in a sim, they should goto a sim that allows it. Flying is the same kind of allow/disallow option as scripts, health and push. If someone could join a combat sim and turn their health off, whats the point anymore? same point with flying.|
|254||Jun 23, 2011 6:25 PM||The only thing I find to be of importance is otr. I've always liked the idea of it. It makes your conversations more private. All the other features don't matter to me. Honestly, I've stopped going on second life as much to really care about most features. I just want to have fun and that's what matters. I know online indicator has had some people fretting I don't care if my online status is shown or not. It doesn't matter. If I don't want someone contacting me I'll block them. No big deal. But love the viewer keep up the great work guys!|
|255||Jun 23, 2011 5:41 PM||I'm very sensitive to protecting people's privacy and honoring their preferences.|
|256||Jun 23, 2011 5:37 PM||I was actually unaware of most of this controversial functionality, and I am unsure of the ramifications of the controversy...|
|257||Jun 23, 2011 5:32 PM||i think encrypting your ims is important to protect your conversations with others especially anyone who would give you money if you asked or other things of this nature.|
|258||Jun 23, 2011 5:27 PM||I think the privacy of the individual user is of prime importance. If' I shoose not to be seen online, I have a good reason and I don't believe a viewer should circumvent that.|
|259||Jun 23, 2011 5:15 PM||I think that any viewer that allows others to over-ride your own personal privacy wants is down right "stalkish" NO other resident has the right to access any private information about my whereabouts in SL if I so CHOOSE them not too. I know there are plenty of ways around that, but I will not continue to support the Firestorm viewer or use it should such measures be taken. As far as I am concerned ANY feature/function that over-rides another resident's wishes, whether common Resident or Land Owner.
I do nothing that would require me to have my personal IM's encrypted and hidden from LL, why would anyone require such a feature, did someone forget it is THEIR platform? As far as I am concerned anyone that would require such a feature in a viewer wishes to "hide" something from LL and protect themselves from any consequences that said behavior may illicit from LL.
Notifications about people dissolving friendships is down right childish. Does it really matter, is this really such an important feature that is required in your viewer. It serves no purpose whatsoever, other then pander to the drama mongers in SL ofcourse.
I don't care if my friends hide their status from me, that is their personal choice and they are completely entitled to do so. How absolutely childish once again. What right do I or anyone else have in being able to to over-ride such an ability. As I don't care if people on my FL go offline to me, it is certainly not a required feature and again, I would be willing to reconsider my use of Firestorm should you choose to move ahead with adding this feature. It may only be "SL" but I and all others that use it are entitled to some level of privacy while there.
Whomever owns land, pays for it and is responsible for it, has the final say in what can or can not be done on their own land. If a landowner does not wish visitors to fly on their land that that is exactly what should be honored.
I could go on and on, but I will end it here, as far as I am concerned these "features" should not be added at all into the Firestorm viewer, period. They all stink of violating other users rights to some level of privacy while in world. I'm rather surprised that the development team would be even considering these features, most of them touch heavily on users privacy rights. Just because you can or some want you too, does not mean you should. As these all tread on privacy issues, I will not use the Firestorm viewer if they are implemented. Just because I do not care about who can or can not see me when I am on in SL, does not excuse other people from wanting to know about other peoples status that may very well care and have issues with stalking.|
|260||Jun 23, 2011 4:53 PM||I'm all for more privacy, less griefy features and less unnecessary offending of others.|
|261||Jun 23, 2011 4:51 PM||All of these (sans chat encryption) just seem like in the end they'd cause grief and drama between users. The less grief and drama, the better, I think.|
|262||Jun 23, 2011 4:50 PM||as a land owner i have had too many bad encounters with the fly feature it is one of the reasons i am not using the firestorm beta as i was hoping it would be gone many many land owners have no fly on for a reason and to let other be able to over ride it is an insult to them i have had many people get nasty with me when i ask them to not fly so nasty as i have had to ban and ar them which really sucks so please please take it out i know many want it but really there is no reason to have it if a land is set to no fly people should respect that and just walk i respect others rules on the land they pay for so i feel others should do the same on my land having to pay for devices to keep people from getting into places that they can only get into by flying seems unfair to me and anyone else who has no fly set on their land i so hate the fact that can do it that i have actually asked linden labs to make it so no third party viewer with that feature should be allowed as a approved third party viewer so while i know many will want it you need to ask them why do they want it as they don't need it and how would they feel if a feature allowed people to do things on their land that they did not want them to be able to do so i really beg of you to stop this feature in firestorm as it really is unfair, the only compromise i can see is that when a person goes to a land where it is not set that a popup comes up by firestorm saying this land has no fly set please respect them and turn off your fly thank you, but as we know many wont do that as they do not care about others so it needs to go thank you|
|263||Jun 23, 2011 4:49 PM||I feel, if people make decisions like these, that their decision is entirely theirs, and should be respected, so I'd rather not see Firestorm override these settings and say "Hey, user X wants some privacy and not to be shown online, but we don't care, so let's show that he/she is online anyway so everybody can bug him/her".
More or less the same for the other options|
|264||Jun 23, 2011 3:52 PM||Definitely on the fly option. Too many stores have it turned off so you have to walk through everything to find the one thing you want. Through a lot of lag usually.|
|265||Jun 23, 2011 3:42 PM||Haven't used Firestorm yet, so can't comment what it has already. But I'm a long time user of Emerald and then Phoenix.|
|266||Jun 23, 2011 3:29 PM||Set up Firestorm just like Phoenix, just make it a V2|
|267||Jun 23, 2011 3:29 PM||If people want privacy, why should they be denied that? It hardly seems fair to override someone's wishes just because you can.
And yes, I know there are objects that defeat that wish for privacy, but those require effort and deliberate will to intrude on another. Making it as easy as a checkbox makes mockery of the whole thing.|
|268||Jun 23, 2011 3:27 PM||I believe being able to see the hidden status just causes unneeded hurt feelings. Often people use this feature just to get some quiet time but don't mean to cause damage or want to hurt someone.|
|269||Jun 23, 2011 3:26 PM||Dont fix what isnt broken!!!|
|270||Jun 23, 2011 3:15 PM||See below.|
|271||Jun 23, 2011 2:11 PM||Much more important than these features (somewhat trival, all, to me) is the sense or "feel" that Firestorm is "heavier" and uses more resources to render the environment than its Phoenix predecessor. I think the most important "feature" is to optimize the way it renders so that moving around creates less "freeze frames". Secondly would be to use more available CPUs when available: Currently my monitor shows that Firestorm uses only 2 of my 4 processors.|
|272||Jun 23, 2011 2:06 PM||I feel that most of these either take privacy away from users or control of someone's land away from them. I will not think highly if these are implemented, even if they appear in the standard client.|
|273||Jun 23, 2011 1:57 PM||Good work, thank you|
|274||Jun 23, 2011 1:49 PM||The friendship dissolved notices and the checkbox for a friend hiding their online status hurt peoples feelings when no harm was intended.|
|275||Jun 23, 2011 1:28 PM||-|
|276||Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM||always important to respect any users wishes. we all need some privacy.|
|277||Jun 23, 2011 12:37 PM||I tend to "hide" from most people as I rarely get time inworld, and it's usually only for coding - i have set support hours, but if people see me online, i get no work done. I need to be able to "hide" without people getting upset.|
|278||Jun 23, 2011 12:30 PM||yes - as one who has been stalked in sl to the point of almost destroying my RL I have real issues with privacy. Please keep the individual's privacy as PARAMOUNT.|
|279||Jun 23, 2011 11:59 AM||If landowners have disabled flying, it's probably because they have a good reason. I don't think you should make Firestorm an anarchistic viewer!!!!! Respect other peoples choices!!! The same goes with the last two questions. If I have chosen to hide my online status from some or all of my friends it might give the wrong impression to show that to my friends. Some might misunderstand. Perhaps I just need to be left alone for a little while, while being busy with something else, and I see nothing wrong with that. That feature is already in the Phoenix viewer, and the only reason I can think of for someone to have put it there in the first place, is paranoia....don't make a paranoid viewer either...
The keywords for the last three questions I think is: respect peoples choices!!|
|280||Jun 23, 2011 11:37 AM||Make an option to make the bottom icon buttons stretch with text like they do on 1.x. The icons are confusing to new users. Plus on large displays they are not where you expect.|
|281||Jun 23, 2011 11:28 AM||I perfer the way that I use chat in V2...I am trying Firestorm out..and I am finding I cannot minimized my IM chats with ppl...its either close the box or not...not sure if this will close the convo with the person so have not tried yet.|
|282||Jun 23, 2011 11:20 AM||I think the way emerald and phoenix did handle the online status and chat encryption was quite ok, tho.|
|283||Jun 23, 2011 11:17 AM||Value privacy|
|284||Jun 23, 2011 10:46 AM||No|
|285||Jun 23, 2011 10:41 AM||I like most of these options. I don't like the flying thing because it could lead to abuse - some landowners want realism or certain forms of roleplay, and allowing people to defeat the rules would invite people to do trollish things..|
|286||Jun 23, 2011 10:40 AM||People make privacy choices, it really shouldn't be for software to 'hack' round those choices. It shouldn't be for software to make moral judgements on those choices.|
|287||Jun 23, 2011 10:23 AM||these are great features! But I like when there was all the nice stuff at the bottem right corner of the screen, it made some stuff very simple for me. EX. the invatory button, music button, and most of all the lovely sky setting panel ♥|
|288||Jun 23, 2011 9:48 AM||You do very good work and even though some of the socialization options really don't mean that much to me overall your viewer is the very best. I especially like the idea of loading closer textures first and gradually increasing the drawing distance, you should continue with that.|
|289||Jun 23, 2011 9:47 AM||if I chose no flying on my land it is because I do not want Griefers, yelling insults or trying to terraform|
|290||Jun 23, 2011 9:47 AM||I don't care to see if someone is online or not. I think if they're hiding, they're hiding for a reason and it shouldn't be revealed if they've hidden online status.|
|291||Jun 23, 2011 9:21 AM||Fly is ctrl alt v not a special feature so why is it contraversal?
Other viwers allow you to see what level friends let you do again why contraversal?
your always going to have some people bitch about your features mainly people who are trying to hide something, I love being able to see what level friends have me at that way if they are hideing I can ask are you mad at me, if yes work on the problem if no they just wanted to be alone ok have fun... not a major deal for me but its nice to know|
|292||Jun 23, 2011 8:56 AM||I believe that the ability to have control over when others see you is a key control in SL. It's especially important if I want to do some quiet shopping or hunting, There are friends who are very insulted if I don't want to go do something the minute I log on.|
|293||Jun 23, 2011 8:40 AM||People should always retain a choice to be private.|
|294||Jun 23, 2011 8:01 AM||I don't use Firestorm, but you shouldn't be pussies about this. Add what you think it needs. Leave out enough to keep it TOS and TPV compliant.|
|295||Jun 23, 2011 7:50 AM||The flurry of IM's when cleaning up a friends list is crazy due to notifications in Phoenix and causes unneeded drama. Leave that horrid feature out. Ditto for hiding online status. Sometimes you just want to be left alone. If they open your profile and see you are online, that is OK, but it's obnoxious to get pounced on sometimes due to online notifications. The ability to quickly set these status indicators is important which is why the feature request to restore easy setting from the contact list is important.|
|296||Jun 23, 2011 7:27 AM||Each one of these "features" is a case of invading the user's privacy. If I don't want someone knowing I'm online, or disolving our "friendship" then why would you make a view that circumvents that? This smacks of ego and a power trip to even consider implementing these features.|
|297||Jun 23, 2011 6:27 AM||I specifically ticked the most extreme options because I hate the subtle shades of grey and black being used by psychologists.|
|298||Jun 23, 2011 5:59 AM||if they dissolve friendship and i dont notice, then they not that close a friend.
if someone wants to hide online status, so be it.
if landowner wants a no fly zone, should be respected.|
|299||Jun 23, 2011 5:53 AM||These above mentioned features were not as integral to my personal use(aside from OTR & Allow Always Fly) as I thought they were now that ive spent time on FS. and in fact I've recently re-evaluated my position on always fly, while the feature has allowed me a niche in my small circle of friends(i've scripted a small security tool to combat those who use it) but I now see whle its nice to fly EVERYWHERE I could live without it.|
|300||Jun 23, 2011 5:13 AM||Don't get to invasive!!|
|301||Jun 23, 2011 5:09 AM||If I set my land to no-fly, I'd really prefer people NOT to be able to fly on it.|
|302||Jun 23, 2011 4:55 AM||There is inconsistance between avatar physisc in phoenix and firestorm. (they are not compatible).
Avatar migrating from Phoenix to firestorm CAN'T use physics created under phoenix as they will display very strong (extrim bounce) in Firestorm.
Phisics definitions must be very reduced in firestorm to be displayed corect to phoenix people. However it result that their movement is almost not visible when editing them in firestorm.
I have edited phisics in firestorm but used my alt with phoenix to see how they acctualy look for the comunity that in majority still use Phoenix.
So Phoenix community see my phisics corect while I dont see them move at all becouse I had to reduce phisics definishon very much.
Example of what I have to use to display the same visual effect under those 2 viewers:
Phoenix: Breast bounce Max effect: 45
Firestorm: Breast bounce Max effect: 18
This is very confusing becouse If firestorm person edit phisisc that he like and see in firestorm, they will display unnormal powerful bouncing to Phoenix people without firestorm user been aware of it.
I can show this and more explain in-word on my avatar if what I write is confusing.
|303||Jun 23, 2011 4:32 AM||if I turn off flight on my land it is for a reason... that reason might be - I don't want people flying at all.|
|304||Jun 23, 2011 4:30 AM||These are very basic privacy features.|
|305||Jun 23, 2011 4:26 AM||no, not really|
|306||Jun 23, 2011 4:20 AM||the most important thing is to can edit more items from inventory!
in phoenix or SL 1 u can edit more than 1 item like 10 skins and then do promerties!
in SL2 and Firestorm u can only edit one itme at time and this is the worse thing for a creator!|
|307||Jun 23, 2011 3:12 AM||There is a need for privacy, even in a public world.
It should be respected, or the user should be given a choice
For example: If i decide to be "invisible" for someone, but he is able to see it, i should know it, to be able to make a decision (like to remove the privacy breaker, can be a stalker, from my FL)|
|308||Jun 23, 2011 2:24 AM||no|
|309||Jun 23, 2011 2:04 AM||Don't take away abilities we currently have, or you will lose users including me. You can't un-ring the bell.|
|310||Jun 23, 2011 1:10 AM||No.|
|311||Jun 23, 2011 12:59 AM||To me these options are not the ones that make the difference between Phoenix and other viewers, nor should they be.|
|312||Jun 23, 2011 12:50 AM||There are other MMO's of sorts that have notifications on when you log on and off. I have seen friendly people quit because every time they logged on, they spent the next 15 minutes responding to IM's. That is not too bad of a thing, but sometimes, they don't want to talk to people, and it can avoid drama if they just hide their presence occasionally.
Hiding PM's from LL sounds like a good idea. But it may be something LL really doesn't like and may take steps to give Firestorm a bad image or shut down some places it could be offered. What might be better, and even funny, but unsure on how it could work... instead of encrypting, just leave canned chat messages that they can see and read instead. EG. You send "Hi, how are you today", and LL would see the message "Second Life Rocks!".|
|313||Jun 23, 2011 12:46 AM||Knowing when someone has dissolved friendship is something I'm going to know anyway so I'd rather know when it happens than later. This is somehow controversial? I'm surprised.|
|314||Jun 23, 2011 12:39 AM||I find it reprehensible that you are making it so easy for people to circumvent privacy options another user has chosen. Many of these "features" are why I moved to another TPV and stayed away. You're affecting other viewer users too and that's just adding salt to the wound. I will actively campaign against ANY viewer that negates my preferences! Do it to your own users, but the arrogance of you people to think you can just walk all over people who don't choose to use your software is astonishing.|
|315||Jun 23, 2011 12:20 AM||I want some of what your smoking|
|316||Jun 23, 2011 12:01 AM||firestorm should provide the option to use the current layouts of phoenix viewer and the viewer one skins in addition to the viewer 2 skins. This would probably make firestorm more useir friendly to those who prefer the viewer 1 layouts.|
|317||Jun 22, 2011 11:59 PM||I don't really see the need for this survey. These features have long been available in Emerald and Phoenix, and the drama about these supposed privacy violations had long died down, but I fear that this survey will stir it up again. Was that really necessary? Personally, I'd expect Firestorm to have the same features as previous viewer versions.|
|318||Jun 22, 2011 11:24 PM||Anything that violates someones privacy or circumvents rules (like the always fly thing) is crap and should be excluded. If you can't play the game above board, then you shouldn't be playing it.|
|319||Jun 22, 2011 11:13 PM||It is not the viewer's place to revoke these options, it is Linden Labs. Crippling a viewer deliberately is not the right solution to privacy issues as there will always be workarounds (e.g. phoenix, a fork of the firestorm code), lets not pretend something thats possible isn't. Also misleads new users into thinking certain things are private which actually aren't (much like i thought quiet snapshots were quiet until i saw phoenix reporting every photo taken on sim, look at beacons, etc etc. leave these decisions to LL)|
|320||Jun 22, 2011 11:03 PM||Nope :)|
|321||Jun 22, 2011 10:31 PM||I notice these suggestions all look at ways of bypassing someones choice of being unavailable. Please, I'd rather not see another "spy" viewer for paranoid users appear on the market. People choose to be unavailable for their reasons and why should I have something that nulls their decision?|
|322||Jun 22, 2011 10:27 PM||I hate viewer2, I've tried this, and it didn't want to make me delete it, even bee n using it more than viewer two|
|323||Jun 22, 2011 10:19 PM||There are scripts out there which can help you figuring out if someone is online or not anyways|
|324||Jun 22, 2011 9:43 PM||No|
|325||Jun 22, 2011 9:30 PM||nope|
|326||Jun 22, 2011 9:05 PM||The friendship dissolving messages, in my experience, do more harm than good. In fact I'm not certain they do any good at all.
Most of my choices are based on a need for privacy. If someone doesn't feel particularly social, but doesn't want to hurt their friends' feelings in ignoring them, they should have the option to hide their status.
Allowing anyone to fly anywhere could be problematic for many realistic RP sims. Besides, there are already free attachments that can allow people to circumvent "no-fly zones."|
|327||Jun 22, 2011 8:57 PM||N/A|
|328||Jun 22, 2011 8:50 PM||I think the privacy issue is much more important to some people than to me. Though it doesn't seem a big deal to me, I believe especially those entangled romantically or courting drama will have fits about the stalker-enhancing features.|
|329||Jun 22, 2011 8:33 PM||1) I only hide from those that hide from me
2) someone devolves friendship, it is definitive of character.
3) Hiding data from the lab in some situations may be necessary, tho often I would agree not, as this (SL) is what in essence they are here for if I recall, to gather, and render data available for sociological study and testing, that is what we agreed to in order to participate in the SL environment.
4) was always an SL given option, and not necessarily viewer related, to the best of my understanding, just makes it more convenient for those that need to know this.
5) there is an abundance of abuse of control, this has been available to my understanding, since viewer one,I vote to keep it|
|330||Jun 22, 2011 8:13 PM||I wouldn't want people to see that I've unchecked them because then what is the point?
If you make this feature available...then there should be the option to disable it all together so everyone can chose how they want to enjoy the viewer. Also, i forget if u can do this or not and ive alread shut down for the night...|
|331||Jun 22, 2011 8:08 PM||adding hidden online status is nothing but a drama train for most ppl. would probably create more problems inworld between ppl than its worth and only those that are super nosy will really cry if its not added. encrypted im's.....wasn't this not allowed by LL before? if its allowed now, can it be made where encrypted im's can't be copy/pasted? basically for the rest of the features, if LL has it in thiers, might as well put in in ours.|
|332||Jun 22, 2011 7:57 PM||I think if someone chooses to be hidden then they should have that right|
|333||Jun 22, 2011 7:35 PM||sending a message would still reveal if the person is hiding, correct?|
|334||Jun 22, 2011 7:30 PM||the above seem to be geared toward the paranoid. If people really are concerned about being hidden from or have to know who is on line they have bigger issues to deal with.|
|335||Jun 22, 2011 7:21 PM||Concerning the first question; I'm thinking it may be best to allow LL to see IM sessions particularly when there are abuse reports, and disputes that rely on IMs for evidence.
Personally, I like to fly wherever I want, but I do think land owners should have the right to choose.
Privacy is very important. One should be able to choose to be seen or not. What's the point of being able to choose not to be shown if your online status is going to be displayed anyway?|
|336||Jun 22, 2011 7:10 PM||I am a landowner. If I catch anyone flying when I say no flying over my land they will be baned and have an AR filed against them. No flying means "No Flying"
If I turnoff online status to someone it means just that. I don't wish to be harrassed, bothered or stalked.|
|337||Jun 22, 2011 6:57 PM||I personally like not being visible to others on my list, sometimes you just need quiet time.|
|338||Jun 22, 2011 6:45 PM||you can fly with the off client too if you allow advanced and admin menus.
they might wanna ask why i dropped them. if i don't wanna discuss it, a mute will do.
IMs should be private, yes. only makes a difference tho if you have something to hide.
online status can always be retrieved with a simple script and a key. even if you hide keys too they're easy to access through 3rd party sites.
i must be an optimist, but it could be used as an "i'm not in the mood to chat with you now" indicator. nothing wrong in that. busy mode blocks all ims :-/|
|339||Jun 22, 2011 6:42 PM||Privacy is a must and people's feelings could be hurt if they were able to see that someone has hidden their online status from them. It is best to leave that to the owner's view only.|
|340||Jun 22, 2011 6:41 PM||maintaining an avatars privacy is an important goal.|
|341||Jun 22, 2011 6:35 PM||I don't think overriding the privacy controls of other users is a cool thing.|
|342||Jun 22, 2011 6:34 PM||It's impossible to quietly dissolve friendship and I would love to be able to do that. Even if the person is barely an acquaintance, the dissolve notification creates unnecessary drama. I would really appreciate the notifications to be turned off on this feature.|
|343||Jun 22, 2011 6:23 PM||True online status is important for being able to tell when vendors and landlords are online, since they aren't on your friends list. This is necessary to get support when a product has issues, or there are problems paying rent. There is currently no other way to do this. It would be nice to have some way to do this that respected privacy better, but until Linden Lab listens to their customers, this won't happen.
It seems to me that if someone wants to dissolve a friendship I should at least be able to ask them why, unless I've offended them so much they chose to mute me too.
I see no reason Linden Lab should have access to my private conversations. The problems with OTR all seem to go away when you use the "request OTR if available" and "use typing_stop", with the exception of the rare case of the receiver crashing, which causes the next message to be lost. This last problem could be corrected by paying attention to when conversing people go offline, and treating it as a reason to re-initiate a encrypted conversation.
In my informed opinion there is never a reason to disable flight or scripts on a parcel, and further, there are Linden Lab sanctioned methods to circumvent this (a standard client option, and taking vehicle controls, correspondingly). This makes them nothing more than a nuisance. Please remove this nuisance.
I don't intend to use true online status to invade my friends privacy when they need time alone, or with some particular someone. I *do* intend to use it to contact people that I don't have on my friends list, especially vendors and people I rent from. I'd prefer if we respect privacy where possible.|
|344||Jun 22, 2011 6:22 PM||This isn’t kindergarten! If someone doesn’t want to show that they are online I think that should be RESPECTed. Maybe they’d like some privacy. I think it’s ludicrous that the above is even a possibility. I can’t think of any reason someone needs to invade anothers privacy like that! AND, I'm sure that if there are some that want to spy on their fellow friends...they can use a seperate invading program that they would both agree to.|
|345||Jun 22, 2011 5:35 PM||no|
|346||Jun 22, 2011 5:27 PM||A published list of features/improvements being worked on or planned would be helpful. Might reduce the number of feature request JIRAs submitted.|
|347||Jun 22, 2011 5:27 PM||I had a really hard time doing basic things, like finding people's profile and figuring out how to see local chat. Firestorm and Viewer 2 are too much alike for my tastes. If SL forces me to use either of them, I'll quit SL, and I've been here for almost 5 years.|
|348||Jun 22, 2011 5:24 PM||Privacy is privacy. It's a dick move to claim you're right to know about me is more important than my right to remain private. It's my secondlife after all, not yours.|
|349||Jun 22, 2011 5:10 PM||My personal opion you should not allow pople to fly if the land owner has it turned off on the land.|
|350||Jun 22, 2011 5:03 PM||.|
|351||Jun 22, 2011 5:01 PM||Always Fly is built into the LL viewer even with alt + ctrl + V so dont see why that would be a problem, other viewers also show you what your friends allow so again dont see why it would be a problem|
|352||Jun 22, 2011 4:36 PM||the radar is very important too...won't use firestorm without it|
|353||Jun 22, 2011 4:23 PM||I hate hate hate the being notified when unfriended option is available. It only creates unneeded drama.|
|354||Jun 22, 2011 3:57 PM||I will gladly AR Firestorm if it breaks LL's very limited privacy settings.|
|355||Jun 22, 2011 3:51 PM||Just stuff which was on the Phoenix viewer which is missing|
|356||Jun 22, 2011 3:47 PM||I have some concern that in the event of a contested AR or other dispute, LL's copy of an IM log might be the only one not subject to manipulation by the parties involved, and that encrypting them could be problematic in such a case.|
|357||Jun 22, 2011 3:42 PM||I like to know if someone has hidden their online status from me. Obviously that person doenst want me to bother them. Saves embarrassment. I rather be able to quietly dissolve a unwanted friendship without announcing it and possibly hurting someones feelings.|
|358||Jun 22, 2011 3:27 PM||I don't understand the two sides of the survey, 1) demanding to invade privacy of people in SL and 2) demanding no one know anything about what others do in SL.|
|359||Jun 22, 2011 3:23 PM||It's simple; if someone chooses to hide their online status, they don't want it to be known when they're online. So basically, enabling people to see it anyway, is making the people that want to show offline less at ease in their Second Life experience.
Guess I could say the same about landowners that don't want flying, but the viewer allowing it anyway (they don't pay a lot of money to have the options they get rendered useless), and selfishly I'll add that I'm simply too lazy to walk every step of the way when having to cross larger distances.. and flying is one of the things making Second Life cool.|
|360||Jun 22, 2011 3:23 PM||Some privacy would be nice.|
|361||Jun 22, 2011 3:06 PM||Its nice to know if somebody dissolves friendship. Hiding online status or not isn't important to me. Infact none of them are but its better to have privacy.|
|362||Jun 22, 2011 3:03 PM||Try to keep Firestorm as intuitive as possible. One of the V2 problems is that new users sign on to Second Life and then leave when the learning curve is too steep. I suspect that this is why Linden Labs is showing a flattening out of the New User curve; the viewer is just too hard to use.|
|363||Jun 22, 2011 2:50 PM||None of those are really too important to me, to be completely honest.|
|364||Jun 22, 2011 2:42 PM||all the options are nice to have, but they probably cause more hurt feelings than they prevent, so I prefer they be left out, but I'll use them without complaint if they're included.|
|365||Jun 22, 2011 2:40 PM||The IM encryption causes nothing but problems for me and I never turn it on. If I want to talk privately I have other means of doing so. Not too keen on the letting someone know when you dissolve a friendship, I wish that feature wasn't in any viewer. I remove people often but normally wait till they are offline just because I don't want to be hassled with the "why did you de friend me?" As far seeing when someone is online or not, could care less. Its easily defeated by other means anyway.|
|366||Jun 22, 2011 2:29 PM||-|
|367||Jun 22, 2011 2:28 PM||all of these features, and more, are the reason why I have migrated from Second Life viewer 2 to Phoenix Viewer, and have used it regardless of the improvements brought to Viewer 2|
|368||Jun 22, 2011 1:57 PM||Nope.|
|369||Jun 22, 2011 1:43 PM||Those are essential features that make a viewer, What it should be.. Without them it's just another restrictive thing treating it's users like children.|
|370||Jun 22, 2011 1:39 PM||It is a shame that there is not a way to toggle these on and off. Like hide from people when you want to be alone or you are working on something, then set it back.Besides, people hide themselves for a reason. I respect that. And always fly is important. So iif someome fly up to my skybox, I have scripts to keep them out. it is the way it is now. If you want to do it, use use a different viewer. As far ending Make thing easier to find in the menusfriendship, what does it matter if they see you have ended it. You are going to make the other party feel bad either way.|
|371||Jun 22, 2011 1:38 PM||Whether or not friends hide themselves or end the friendship is up to them. Adding in features to track and report such things is an invasion of privacy.
No fly on land should mean no fly - no exceptions.
Encryption serves no real purpose for the honest users and I can only think that those up to no good in world or in real life make use of it.|
|372||Jun 22, 2011 1:18 PM||If IM's are encrypted, proof for AR's won't be available.
A Landowners wishes should be paramount - if they say don't fly, you don't fly.|
|373||Jun 22, 2011 1:07 PM||IM Encryption should warn you when an avatar is offline so you can send in plain text. Otherwise the corresponding email will be encrypted.|
|374||Jun 22, 2011 12:48 PM||isn't encrypting users' IMs and hiding them from LL against the TOS? well, sounds like something pedophiles and warez people could use to advantage. sounds like a bad idea. and hey, i'm REALLY paranoid about personal privacy!
most landowners turn on 'do not fly' for very specific reasons. i don't see any need to override this, except to 1: mess up role play or 2: snoop somewhere on parcels where people don't want you.
if people, even friends, want to remain hidden; let 'em.|
|375||Jun 22, 2011 12:36 PM||I used to like using OTR or however it was spelt, the encryption, but it caused way to much lag when opening ims so I stoped using it as 4 out of 10 I'd crash.
Being able to tell if someone is actually online if they have it hidden is a rather powerful Moderation tool that I tend to use almost daily, it prevents grefers the ability of hiding.|
|376||Jun 22, 2011 12:29 PM||I definitely think when someone wants to hide his online status this should be respected by all means.|
|377||Jun 22, 2011 12:20 PM||I think these all are important.|
|378||Jun 22, 2011 12:13 PM||Both Phoenix and Firestorm are amazing viewers. I am getting used to the new FS Beta very quickly. I love you guys, you are awesome!|
|379||Jun 22, 2011 12:08 PM||I don't think a viewer should infringe peoples' privacy or over ride landowners' settings. There is quite enough spyware already being produced for SL and related worlds and quite enough in previous viewer projects from which I believe yours was spawned. People will still make that stuff and people will cause drama with or without it, make a viewer with cool and useful features and fill the gaps in LL's viewer, but don't make things that help fuel peoples' drama :)|
|380||Jun 22, 2011 11:44 AM||there is almost no way to hide your online status from others thanks to the Groups system. I bet people would LOVE a better way to hide their online status across the grid... do THAT and see what people say.|
|381||Jun 22, 2011 11:34 AM||One of the most important "Features" for me is Stability, Followed very closely by Performance....|
|382||Jun 22, 2011 11:31 AM||I think privacy is still important. And point n.1/2 somehow got messed up for me from Phoenix - 75% of my friends thought i was offline and I had to check all the "eye" icons again|
|383||Jun 22, 2011 11:24 AM||no|
|384||Jun 22, 2011 11:24 AM||there are not bit points for me. that's all.|
|385||Jun 22, 2011 11:23 AM||people deserve privacy if they choose not to show their online status to others by normal means|
|386||Jun 22, 2011 11:22 AM||Dissolving friendships:
I think the question is not "Yes" or "No", but offering an option every time. Probably even checkboxes like "Always use the selected option" and "Always Ask".|
|387||Jun 22, 2011 11:21 AM||I like knowing if someone has disolved friendship, not for drama reasons, it's just nice to know. Also, if friends hide themselves, which i don't see the point of, i would like to know, i don't hide from anyone, and people who hide from me constantly get removed as that's not something real friends do, if they want some peace to build they can create an alt for that!|
|388||Jun 22, 2011 11:18 AM||The Hide or not to hide opinion for me is for staff reliabilty at my club... you would be suprised how many staff try and avoid shifts and pretend their not online!! needless to say with Phoenix some of these have lost their jobs ;)|
|389||Jun 22, 2011 11:16 AM||Every other viewer allows the ability to always fly (view admin options), why would you consider removing that from Firestorm?
Please be very careful with the implementation of encrypted sessions. Make sure you can absolutely disable it. I quit using one TPV because I kept getting garbage from people despite the fact that I turned encrypted messages off.|
|390||Jun 22, 2011 11:11 AM||I personally know people who take these features for granted. IRL we can all choose when we want alone time and when we want to socialize. In second life there really is no way to have time for yourself or alone time with a special someone if some crazed psycho lunatic is stalking through your profile to see if you're logged in.|
|391||Jun 22, 2011 11:05 AM||I don't like encrypted IM sessions because of multiple warnings.|
|392||Jun 22, 2011 10:39 AM||In February 2011, an idiot who owns 50 sims got the message that I deleted him from my Contacts. He had a shit fit and banned me from those 50 sims. Knowing that message goes out is part of why my Contacts list is overloaded with people I don't know.|
|393||Jun 22, 2011 10:38 AM||Don't screw with peoples privacy settings.|
|394||Jun 22, 2011 10:32 AM||The ability to fly on a Sim where the land owner has set a no fly zone, I've checked, makes no difference to me, but I'm concerned about ppl using it to grief. Other then that, FS is a fantastic viewer, keep up the awesome work.|
|395||Jun 22, 2011 10:32 AM||I was kinda disappointed with the preview versions, but now that the beta has been released, I'm quite pleased with it!
it's now my viewer of choice!|
|396||Jun 22, 2011 10:16 AM||These options are horrible for privacy and will only lead to increasing drama and hurt feelings.
Seriously --What the FUCK are you people thinking?|
|397||Jun 22, 2011 10:11 AM||none|
|398||Jun 22, 2011 9:43 AM||I will NOT use Firestorm without these features. I will continue to use Phoenix or switch to another viewerr that WILL offer these features if they are not added.|
|399||Jun 22, 2011 9:28 AM||Great for a beta|
|400||Jun 22, 2011 9:24 AM||please make all testviewers and so on in V1 base i refuse to use a V2 base it is so unusable and balky and just down right bad.|
|401||Jun 22, 2011 9:17 AM||Some RP sims are 'no fly' - to get from A to B avatars have walk through dangerous areas. Allowing an easy fly cheat would waste time banning, cause annoyance, etc.|
|402||Jun 22, 2011 8:51 AM||Excellent job. I love Firestorm and use it as my full time viewer!
I really appreciate all the hard work you have all done!|
|403||Jun 22, 2011 8:45 AM||OTR (or whatever new encryption scheme you choose to migrate to) is one of the features that made me adopt Emerald in the first place. I would have jumped ship at Phoenix if it hadn't carried through the fork. Encrypted chat is incredibly important in the modern landscape of the internet, because if there's anything big service providers like Linden Labs have proven time and again, it's that they can and will abuse sensitive information that they have access to. By taking that choice out of their hands and putting it into the users', the users won't have to constantly feel as though they have a gun to their head when interacting with the world and socializing. If Firestorm was to only have one more feature patched to it before the first stable release, it should be chat encryption.|
|404||Jun 22, 2011 8:15 AM||Not really|
|405||Jun 22, 2011 7:52 AM||I absolutely HATED that Phoenix didn't respect people's privacy settings. This is a deal breaker for me.|
|406||Jun 22, 2011 7:42 AM||I've found the above choices Handy, but not terribly important.|
|407||Jun 22, 2011 7:38 AM||On the second line, if I deside to not show my online status to non friends, then they have no business overriding that. Some people are rude about it.|
|408||Jun 22, 2011 7:36 AM||all of the 'hiding" that people can do is easily circumvented with programs like Avatar online etc... I think most experienced users already have these programs, the fact that Firestorm has them is not really relevant other then to new users.|
|409||Jun 22, 2011 7:28 AM||None of the choices here are things I use regularly. For me it's majors that LL haven't done such as the ability to sort friends lists.|
|410||Jun 22, 2011 7:16 AM||These features are all things that make Phoenix/Firestorm a better viewer than the rest, before you had the feature of seeing true online status I had a hud to tell me when people I was looking for were on so yet another script running and more lag added to everyone, I mainly use it when looking for a shop owner you dont have to keep sending them are you online IM's|
|411||Jun 22, 2011 7:09 AM||usage tools of Phoenix are great and constantly improving, but personal choices on status and security should be paramount|
|412||Jun 22, 2011 7:00 AM||Possibly make dissolved friendship notices as an option.|
|413||Jun 22, 2011 6:47 AM||Keep the old look for you own profile|
|414||Jun 22, 2011 6:33 AM||Showing if someone has blocked you, and de-friending notifications are just drama bombs|
|415||Jun 22, 2011 6:31 AM||I largely don't care, it isn't too hard to enable the features in most viewers or via a simple script|
|416||Jun 22, 2011 6:29 AM||I think features that negate a user's privacy are tantamount to built-in griefer tools. It would be a real shame to see these added as a matter of course.|
|417||Jun 22, 2011 6:26 AM||As a creator sometimes I need to be offline so I actually can get some work done, if I'm hiding it's for a damn good reason. What's the point of using the viewer if that's not possible.|
|418||Jun 22, 2011 6:25 AM||Privacy is very important to me and it annoyed me that the phoenix viewer stripped that away.|
|419||Jun 22, 2011 6:20 AM||Bypassing a users Offline privacy choice just looks like a drama starter to me. Personally I have never hidden my status on a user by user basis, but if people want to they should have that option. Hide IMs from LL - erm why? Anyone wanting to send critical sensitive (ie probably dodgy) convos in SL is either a)dumb or b)smart enough to add their own if they really wanted to (and again - why. carrier pigeons are more secure). Fly - why not allow people to over ride rez rights too while you're at it? Non starter, unless someone adds a 'do not allow anyone running this blacklist of viewers on my land' option too. On the friends thing I'm easy either way. Q5 is identical to Q1 to all intents and purposes, makes no difference if friend or foe. (oops hihi sorry - 'friend i have yet to meet'...)|
|420||Jun 22, 2011 6:06 AM||please respect other people's privacy choices|
|421||Jun 22, 2011 6:06 AM||RE: Always fly/Showing online status. Users make the choices they make, it's not up to viewer development teams to second-guess these choices. No-one overrules the user except the service provider.
RE: Encrypting IM sessions. The only thing I've ever seen this used for is chatting about things that aren't SL-ToS compliant. Sexual age-play being a specific example that someone suggested was 'safe' because it could be hidden/encrypted.|
|422||Jun 22, 2011 5:57 AM||accoubt update should be shown in radar (as used to be before in Phoenix and Emerald)|
|423||Jun 22, 2011 5:57 AM||I don't hide my online status, but frankly it's no one's business but mine. I rarely unfriend anyone, but a notice telling me when they unfriend me is just an annoyance I can do without. Flying is good (especially as a merchant on a sim with teleport routing enabled).|
|424||Jun 22, 2011 5:45 AM||I think privacy is a very importang thing. If I want to hide my online status to people in my friendlist it is very important nobody can override this. Sometimes I have to do things without being overkilled with IMs. But this will happen if people see me online. So please don't add this feature to Firestorm.|
|425||Jun 22, 2011 5:43 AM||if something can not be programmed, maybe post a work-around on the wiki. For example, modifying your sl arguments to set alwaysfly to true since it is not sticky|
|426||Jun 22, 2011 5:04 AM||Please consider heavily if privacy is more important than these features|
|427||Jun 22, 2011 5:01 AM||I feel that your SL privacy is important and you should be able to hide from others when you wish to, otherwise in many ways FS could become a rather powerful stalker tool.
On the part about flight, land-owners pay a pretty large amount of money and should have near sovereign rights on their land, bypassing restrictions that they setup takes away those rights. Wherein, the "flyer" has a choice whether to go to the land and live with the restrictions, the sim-owner's choice is whether to allow flight (and other restrictions) or not.|
|428||Jun 22, 2011 4:50 AM||I like a system that is not too prescriptive, ie. it does not allow or disallow much but approximates to rl in that it enables you to muddle through but stops extreme behaviour.|
|429||Jun 22, 2011 4:49 AM||i want to be able to log in in admin mode. And I'm mainly in SL for music, so if you can show the stream info in local chat, that only i can see, because i use an external music player. I use admin mode to fly and get the land stream info already. Just want fewer steps.|
|430||Jun 22, 2011 4:48 AM||The friendship dissolution notice has about as many benefits as it does detriments. For those with large contact lists it helps keep track if someone goes missing from it. I admit, though, that it can cause issues. So perhaps have a switch to enable or disable would be okay. The True Online Status feature just seems to be a less-laggy way of doing the very same thing many utility HUDs in SL use, so I see no point in leaving it out over a brouhaha. As for the Always Fly feature, I say keep it hidden in the Debug Settings to make it less easy for newcomers to inadvertently find themselves in trouble.|
|431||Jun 22, 2011 4:47 AM||Encryption: If LL has a problem, don't add it (seems obvious)
If a friend hides their status, why are they my friend? (could be other uses, but as a casual relationship sort of thing)
I would really not like flying no matter what -- our ground has our house, we change on the second floor. And skyboxes are group-only and private. Doesn't prevent camming, does prevent seeing someone fly by. Our land doesn't allow bans to be more friendly, but there's always someone. The way we have it now (security in-house, no flying) works just fine.
If someone doesn't want me to see them online, I shouldn't see them online.
I'd rather not other people see me defriend them, but it's not such a big deal.
None of these are deal breakers, but the flying one would particularly suck.|
|432||Jun 22, 2011 4:47 AM||I think it's important that people have their privacy and online hidden status is an important part of that.|
|433||Jun 22, 2011 4:47 AM||None|
|434||Jun 22, 2011 4:45 AM||encrypted IMs: since back in Emerald me and some friends were not able to keep that enabled as we crashed as soon as IMs got started, especially group IMs, therefore we deactivated it and me never tried it again as i have nothing to hide in front of LL. But its still a nice feature and there will sure be some users that are actually able to use it and would like to use it.|
|435||Jun 22, 2011 4:19 AM||Flying is not an issue as abuse can be combated with security systems, and enforced rules. But there are times when not being able can cause problems.
In general, adding features and letting each user decide if they want to use it is the right path.|
|436||Jun 22, 2011 4:17 AM||this is a very odd and narrow collection of issues|
|437||Jun 22, 2011 4:08 AM||For both IM encryption and friendship disolve notices, I would have loved to check an "annoying as hell" option. IM encryption in Emerald used to mess up offline IMs for my friends and me and caused other annoyances.|
|438||Jun 22, 2011 3:37 AM||encryption should be on by default if it doesn't cause any intefearnce.|
|439||Jun 22, 2011 3:25 AM||a lot to do with paranoia|
|440||Jun 22, 2011 3:19 AM||Current features use up a great deal of the screen and block all HUDs on the right margin.|
|441||Jun 22, 2011 3:09 AM||In show you when other people are online in their profile, only that|
|442||Jun 22, 2011 3:04 AM||privacy is important so i don't like not being able to close a door and say i am not home|
|443||Jun 22, 2011 3:01 AM||I have little or no use for most of the features listed above, so I'm indifferent as to their inclusion. The only one I feel strongly about is the ability to always fly. True, landowners have the option of turning off flying, but honestly, I find that to be rediculous. Outside of a RP situation, such as in Gor, what purpose does no-fly serve? Violating a no-fly rule in that instance should be handled within the rules of the RP, not by restricting the viewer.|
|444||Jun 22, 2011 3:00 AM||I think it's a really bad thing to try to override other people's privacy settings|
|445||Jun 22, 2011 2:27 AM||a scan for objects feature / and tools for landowners to find objects int eh sky on thier land.. - by setting ranges.. ( to remove lost items and junk or trespessers )|
|446||Jun 22, 2011 2:07 AM||Anything that over-rides a person's own privacy settings is BAD, mmmkay? Don't do it.|
|447||Jun 22, 2011 2:02 AM||I feel that all items above, except the first one, are privacy-related issues. There are times when I am too busy preparing for an in-world event to be sociable, or just simply feel like being alone, so I make myself appear offline to others. I understand and respect when I discover other people doing this as well. I believe most of us value the ability to make this choice and it should somehow be kept in the the viewer.|
|448||Jun 22, 2011 1:40 AM||Thank you, Phoenix and Firestorm teams for all your hard work on these TPVs. Best out there. :)|
|449||Jun 22, 2011 1:11 AM||I just think that online status is something people should be able to choose to allow others to see. But, that fact itself is important for others to know as well. Also, the flying hack has been a lifesaver in a few cases, so it seems fine to keep it in. Frankly, though, I'd like to see it on a timer - with a cooldown.|
|450||Jun 22, 2011 1:08 AM||imposing on settings of how a sim owner controls there sim I find counter to any environment or role play scenario they may be possibly attempting to achieve. Firestorm Or any Viewer that does that I will not use and finding myself banned from Sims. I am not nor ever have been a sim owner (renting) but can well comprehend frustration to Viewers that counter restrictions set that are there to protect the responsible and Sensible!|
|451||Jun 22, 2011 12:55 AM||Add as much information as is inside the ToS and Community Standards.|
|452||Jun 22, 2011 12:52 AM||privacy is not important to me; if someone is that concerned/paranoid about some of these features then they shouldn't even log onto the internet =)|
|454||Jun 21, 2011 11:27 PM||I believe that as far as the "online status" goes it should be like messenger, you shouldn't know whether they're appearing offline to you or whether they're just simply offline. It might also offend some users that you have blocked them from knowing if you're online or not. And as far as the ability to "Always Fly" that shouldn't be added, it'd cause controversy with land owners and really just wouldn't be that useful. The good one was definitely encrypted conversations, I always enjoy my privacy and don't like anyone that doesn't need to be seeing something see it.|
|455||Jun 21, 2011 11:05 PM||I really like how things are right now! I love the multiple clothing layers.|
|456||Jun 21, 2011 10:52 PM||I don't think its right for others to know if you dissolve the friendship or if they are hidden from seeing you online. Especially with the hiding yourself from others on your friends list it kindof defeats the point of having that feature. LL put in the feature to hide your profile, and to hide yourself from being viewed by your friends for privacy.|
|457||Jun 21, 2011 10:41 PM||its good, but i prefer the viewr 1 based viewer, the 1 based viewr is more intuitive to use|
|458||Jun 21, 2011 10:29 PM||part of the attraction of sl for many is the anomity. Not that keen on many of these changes.|
|459||Jun 21, 2011 10:22 PM||I don't mind to be visible but I would like to see it being connected with my online "status". So when I don't want sex..making me invisible to people that are on my sex-only list.|
|460||Jun 21, 2011 10:15 PM||The only one I dislike is being able to see hidden status. If I hide people it's usually for a good reason such as I need to get work done without IM popups. Or I just need time away from certain people and I believe everyone should have this right. To me it's like going into your room and locking the door. It's about respect.|
|461||Jun 21, 2011 10:07 PM||Allowing people to see when friendships are disolved seems to me to serve no purpose but encougaging drama. I like knowing when others are online & don't care if they know I'm online, but I can find out other ways without this ability being built into the viewer. I like being able to fly if need be & don't care if people fly on my land. If people are being disruptive by flying, they can still be ejected from the land.|
|462||Jun 21, 2011 9:54 PM||Privacy is important. So does sim owner's choice to restrict certain features. The restrictions are there for a reason. Allow people to fly all over when not allowed should be discouraged, not encouraged.|
|463||Jun 21, 2011 9:51 PM||Anything that gives me more control over my experience is best. Privacy in-world is an illusion at best anyway. As long as what happens in world doesn't bleed over into RL then I think all is fair.|
|464||Jun 21, 2011 9:42 PM||These are not deal breakers, either way, for me.|
|465||Jun 21, 2011 9:28 PM||Without OTR your viewer will be vurnerable to man-in-the-middle attack. I know about two cases, when a Linden friend has helped someone to get details from others chat.|
|466||Jun 21, 2011 9:27 PM||i, personally, have never really used OTR, there might just be some paranoia of 'big brother watching' in a lot of people i guess, with the online status showing, its kind of handy to know, but i have a HUD that i can add friends to and it shows that anyway, just because no SL viewer i have used yet plays sounds when people come online, that's the reason i made that hud, flying on no-fly land is handy when in high places and you fall off, that's really all i use that for, but i have a feature in a HUD that will also do that, so i suppose adding the last two mentioned here would eliminate the need for LSL scripts to do it, lightening the server load, friendship dissolved status i kind of see as just drama inducing and i don't really need to be notified, since just looking at the list you can determine if someone is not there anymore, i guess that doesn't make much difference|
|467||Jun 21, 2011 9:25 PM||I am not huge ultra finicky. The things most important to me as a simple user of SL...(I am not a creator...just a consumer) AV position modify. especially Z modifier. The use of the radar that can see over 96 meters. Phantom. Block Spam is a "gotta have". Names on Crosshairs. Draw and atmospheric selections on top of the viewer. Snapshot button on top of viewer. I might have left something out but for the most part those are important to me.|
|468||Jun 21, 2011 9:14 PM||It is very handy to be able to see if a merchant or whoever is not on the friends list is online before sending an IM. The always fly thing is very useful as well, when it is not available on the viewer i usually end up using a hud with the function which adds to clutter and script load.|
|469||Jun 21, 2011 8:59 PM||if a person has chosen not to have something shown then that is their right and should be respected. IM session NEED to have a record kept of them for many reason mostly to protect LL from any legal actions that may result from IM usage|
|470||Jun 21, 2011 8:51 PM||- I tend to be too polite and even sometimes accept friend requests when I suspect the person may be needy or obsessive. Being able to dissolve friendships in that situation without sending a message to the other person is vital--especially when they are literally always online (I don't know of she manages it, but she does). Having to deal with a needy "friend" who pushed themselves on you is bad enough, not being able to dissolve it without creating more drama is even worse.
- The ability to fly in no fly sims seems to be particularly abused by Hunger players floating around busy clubs feeding on avatars without asking or in any way participating in what is going on.
- Encrypted IM sessions. I'd rather risk being caught sharing a conversation by the Lindens than losing the ability to Abuse Report someone for a particularly vile IM because the Lindens couldn't verify it.|
|471||Jun 21, 2011 8:37 PM||Seems pointless to have an option to aide in privacy if there are ways for people to go around that. That's like locking your door and leaving the key out for anyone to find.|
|472||Jun 21, 2011 8:35 PM||Aren't all of these features already in Phoenix? They are handy to have available, and I would miss them in Firestorm.|
|473||Jun 21, 2011 8:32 PM||Privacy options should be effective ..If someone doesn't want to be seen on line, and its a option..it should be so.Having a particular viewer shouldn't allow you to supersede that.
...lol even though i like it..lololol|
|474||Jun 21, 2011 8:25 PM||Encryption is a great idea, but was always pretty much a pain in the butt.|
|475||Jun 21, 2011 8:13 PM||I've been looking and looking for how to turn these on. None are showstoppers- together they very well might be. Someone else will have a viewer with these features.|
|476||Jun 21, 2011 7:55 PM||I believe it is important for store owners to have their status available (if they apply the option). I found it to be very useful when I needed to contact someone.|
|477||Jun 21, 2011 7:50 PM||I want to hide from people with a reason and just let me stay hidden when I want to.|
|478||Jun 21, 2011 7:43 PM||most of these are not terribly important when you consider that some online indicators already tell you when someone, friend or not, logs on to SL. ANd if a friend wants to dissolve a friendship for whatever reason, so be it. I am guilty of waiting until people are offline before dissolving friendships anyway.|
|479||Jun 21, 2011 7:42 PM||Too MANY CRASHES...
Lags like a mofo (i know that doesnt make sense)|
|480||Jun 21, 2011 7:32 PM||I have never liked the first two and the last two items. Please don't include them. Their inclusion nearly made me leave Second Life. Give us some privacy, please.|
|481||Jun 21, 2011 7:27 PM||what's the point of these? Apart from the first, they completely stink.
I'de use any viewer that block these disgraceful features|
|482||Jun 21, 2011 7:13 PM||I think that much of the controversial proposed features are ones which the dramatics wish to have implemented, because such things really are not a hindrance if they're non-existent. Those features didn't come with the first "official" version of Second Life and most don't exist with it now.|
|483||Jun 21, 2011 7:12 PM||These features have very little to do with actual privacy, so I'm not sure why they are controversial|
|484||Jun 21, 2011 7:05 PM||I would like to see that all when someone dissolves the friendship notifies me and the groups owned by me.|
|485||Jun 21, 2011 7:03 PM||I am in favor of greater user privacy.|
|486||Jun 21, 2011 6:59 PM||You can make a HUD to show true online status, so there's NO reason NOT to add it back to the bridge.|
|487||Jun 21, 2011 6:50 PM||Linden Lab pays too little attention to user privacy; please help rectify this rather than making it worse.|
|488||Jun 21, 2011 6:47 PM||no|
|489||Jun 21, 2011 6:45 PM||I am unsure about encrypted IM. I have to think about that, but it doesn't sound like a good idea.|
|490||Jun 21, 2011 6:41 PM||I am a Sim owner, If fly is off it is for RP But if people are on their own on the sim does it matter if they fly.|
|491||Jun 21, 2011 6:41 PM||My main concern in all of my choices was privacy. In the end, I don't care, but I sided with the view that granted more privacy to the users.|
|492||Jun 21, 2011 6:35 PM||i was someone who bailed on Emerald when all the "drama" happened and thus never used Phoenix, but Firestorm has me really interested in things again. From all the previews i've seen and word of month and all, and some talks from devs on SLU have made me really excited to use it.|
|493||Jun 21, 2011 6:34 PM||Privacy issues are important. I should be able to act on friendships, and to construct my presence online, as I wish, without lots of notifications that I do not authorize.
As a landowner who is paying Linden Labs for my sim, I should be able to set perms on my land as I wish.|
|494||Jun 21, 2011 6:29 PM||I do need to know if someone hides from me.|
|495||Jun 21, 2011 6:25 PM||No idea why these are even considered. These features will add to drama & generally lessen the quality of my Second Life, and, I suspect, that of many other residents.|
|496||Jun 21, 2011 6:21 PM||I feel people's choices regarding privacy ought to be respected. They may be circumventable, but it wouldn't be right to do so.|
|497||Jun 21, 2011 6:17 PM||As for the hidden status, it's generally a good thing. Sometimes you just need a quiet session. I was impressed lately with the way LL resolved the multi-attach points, and also the V2 code performance. So, I'd like to see FS team and LL collaborate on a smart solution to setting /anon or going quiet, away, busy. This would include also correcting the mis-behavior of getting items in the mail, and so on.|
|498||Jun 21, 2011 6:10 PM||Privacy is important. Already so many things threaten to invade our privacy. we dont need more. even in the name of freedom.|
|499||Jun 21, 2011 6:04 PM||Getting around masking online status and blabbing about removing friends cause more hurt than any benefit they provide. Not recommended. Always Fly...Yes! I'll take my chances with irate landowners. I don't use encryption, but it may be valuable to some.|
|500||Jun 21, 2011 5:52 PM||The first one sounds like a privacy-destroyer, but saves merchants a lot of time if they need to contact someone. The info can always be found in other ways anyway. None of these are critical to me though.|
|501||Jun 21, 2011 5:45 PM||The only reason I'm not labeling anything as "won't use Firestorm without" is that there's nothing out there with the same sort of UI functionality.|
|502||Jun 21, 2011 5:43 PM||If, instead of finding ways to circumvent users' privacy preferences, you could find ways to make the already provided online/offline preferences WORK entirely, your users would thank you. If you could add a greater variety of presence indicators, like those that every chat client in the universe has supported since 2000, your users would adore you. Of course that would entail adding a decent presence server to SL's server clusters. *grumbles*|
|503||Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM||Total step backwards with privacy on almost all counts. The flying is the only one I don't care about. The rest are craptacular ideas. If this goes forward not only would I not use firestorm I would start a jira urging LL to make it where we can block users with it.|
|504||Jun 21, 2011 5:23 PM||Firestorm so far is great!!! Keep up the good work!!|
|505||Jun 21, 2011 5:19 PM||Listing the questions by number:
#1 : LL should not be able to read in on private conversations. And although i have no problem with it, it is still a severe privacy issue.
#2 : I don't mind if a friend hides their online status if they want to be left alone. However, i have (very good) friends who accidentally hidden their online status, and when asked about it, they corrected their mistake.
#3 : It's just good to know if someone unfriends you, because it allows you to ask them why. Though usually it's just because the friendship went cold. But if you did something wrong without knowing it, you will have at least the chance to apologize.
#4 : I find always fly rather important. I sometimes visit rather bizarre builds, sometimes hundreds or thousands of meters up in the air. Falling down can mean not being able to return to the build.
#5 : A caveat here would be that if the online status is show, whilst people chose it not to be shown, it should be indicated that the workaround was used. Either by a different color (yellow?), a comment/symbol, or both.|
|506||Jun 21, 2011 5:18 PM||This sounds like you will make Firestorm a stalker's dream. I love Firestorm but seriously these limitations in LL are there for a reason. Just because you can circumvent them doesn't mean you should.|
|507||Jun 21, 2011 5:05 PM||I've always like phoenix for it's list of choices....I don't mind v2 interface, but never anything with the options of phoenix or the stability. with phoenix in the past 3 months I've probably have had a total of 3 crashes. Great job on your work so far on firestorm, but needs all the options.|
|508||Jun 21, 2011 5:02 PM||Privacy intrusion is a controversial issue but a real showstopper to some, so my views are not crucial since I don't have a strong need for privacy.|
|509||Jun 21, 2011 5:00 PM||Any feature that basically keeps my info and actions private is ALWAYS good.|
|510||Jun 21, 2011 4:58 PM||Most of the features described above are obviously Phoenix/Emerald features that I believe should not have been included in those viewers in the first place. Too stalkery/paranoidy/drama-y and they tend to lend an air of shadiness.|
|511||Jun 21, 2011 4:52 PM||If someone chooses to hide their online status, we should not attempt to circumvent their choice. Viewers should not include the capability to divulge online status information about users who choose to hide their status from others.|
|512||Jun 21, 2011 4:46 PM||the OTR feature has caused me lots of problems in the past...even if I disable it, if someone with it enabled IMs me I would crash.|
|513||Jun 21, 2011 4:46 PM||I downloaded thanks to the advice of my secondlife brother, i so far have not have had any crashs or my useal problem that i have in other viewers that i have used. Thank u for making this! please keep up the good work you do!|
|514||Jun 21, 2011 4:45 PM||none|
|515||Jun 21, 2011 4:34 PM||Think about it this way: Second Life is basically "Advanced Chat" and relationships are formed and dissolved in here. Do you want to be the one to ARM the victims with reasons to be mad, or have compassion for them? That's the point here. Ii think we all wanna know what our lovers are up to but seriously, the tools are hurtful too. My little opinion. Look in yourself and try to see how you view it. What do you as a programmer believe in as a philosophy. Good luck.|
|516||Jun 21, 2011 4:34 PM||basic user|
|517||Jun 21, 2011 4:33 PM||all these items are at the top of my needs list in a viewer and why I have allways used Emerald and now Phoenix.|
|518||Jun 21, 2011 4:28 PM||I prefer knowing when someone is online, most of the other features I like using. I like always being able to fly though since usually I am only flying when i am trying to get over a parcel.|
|519||Jun 21, 2011 4:21 PM||Adding encryption would be very valuable to me, and would make me consider using Firestorm. It would allow me to use SL for business purposes. I will not use Firestorm if it allows people to invade my privacy, such as by seeing my online status regardless of my settings.|
|520||Jun 21, 2011 4:20 PM||Firestorm is looking great, but still a bit confusing to me. Sometimes a bit of the old in with the new helps the transition|
|521||Jun 21, 2011 4:19 PM||I like being able to see if people are hiding. I'm odd liek that.|
|522||Jun 21, 2011 4:17 PM||I would use firestorm viewer with or without my choices, though it would be nice if they were included.
I do like the sound of the features and hope they can be implemented|
|523||Jun 21, 2011 4:17 PM||I like to know when i am bothering people. If i see they are online and "hidden" i assume they are busy and i leave them alone.. or drop a NC. Otherwise I might "offline" IM them.. and they will bw interrupted and perhaps compelled to answer- which defeats the purpose. Anyone who uses this feature to cause or sustain drama- needs to get a first life and log out. IMHO|
|524||Jun 21, 2011 4:16 PM||I don't use the Firestorm beta because it doesn't support OTR|
|525||Jun 21, 2011 4:14 PM||Since the platform allows seeing true online status anyway there is no point in trying to hide it. The platform should be fixed instead...|
|526||Jun 21, 2011 4:12 PM||its not really that hard to find out someones online status..all you need is their key. its just easier if its in the viewer itself.|
|527||Jun 21, 2011 4:11 PM||If I choose to keep my status private, that's how I want it! I don't think Firestorm should override my choices or create any potential dramas with the unfriending business.|
|528||Jun 21, 2011 3:59 PM||Still playing with it. So far seems pretty stable, but when I need to do something I go back to Phoenix.|
|529||Jun 21, 2011 3:57 PM||I personally have no need of encrypted IM's but I understand some would prefer it.
admin can still be activated so removing always fly will just be an annoyance.
scripts can always replace true online status, so making it part of the bridge is just sensible
friendship dissolvement notices can be useful, despite the drama they sometimes cause
see above statment about scripted behavior of friends online status for true online status... very usef for knowing what type of items can be sent safely.|
|530||Jun 21, 2011 3:55 PM||Please, allow gestures to change draw distance.|
|531||Jun 21, 2011 3:52 PM||Encrypted IM sessions hidden from the platforms owners (LL's) for what reason?|
|532||Jun 21, 2011 3:46 PM||features don't make drama, people make drama. just add the features, people will make drama anyway.|
|533||Jun 21, 2011 3:43 PM||When there is a desire to leave out options, it is because people dont want other people to use these features. And as there is no monopol for firestorm, that can never be ensured. Leaving out an option is just an invitation for users to use another viewer that offers that option.|
|534||Jun 21, 2011 3:42 PM||The last 2 features are rather intrusive and do not respect other users' privacy. They should not be implemented as they really offer nothing useful to the average user.|
|535||Jun 21, 2011 3:40 PM||Feature for feature parity, including object export.|
|536||Jun 21, 2011 3:38 PM||please respect privacy of folks (remember the emerald disaster).
Sure, some ppl would love this sniffing online-status (and many other features as well), but that is the way for phoenix/firestorm to loose the just gotten back respect again.|
|537||Jun 21, 2011 3:37 PM||I was expecting more questions LOL :_)|
|538||Jun 21, 2011 3:34 PM||respect some privacy...even in Sl !|
|539||Jun 21, 2011 3:32 PM||As a general rule I think the choices LL lets us make when it comes to privacy and landowner rights should be respected.|
|540||Jun 21, 2011 3:31 PM||Considering how dodgy IMs and item deliveries can be even resident to resident, I am completely dependent on being able to see when someone is really online. I won't send important objects or IM important messages to someone who is offline.
As for always being able to fly, its an issue of time. I am not going to walk around a huge store to find things. If its a roleplay sim, there can be rules and enforcement of those, but it should not be a coded limitation.|
|541||Jun 21, 2011 3:29 PM||Privacy|
|542||Jun 21, 2011 3:27 PM||People already turn into blubbering idiots over the "friend list", adding a "feature" that shoves it in their face is like bottling pure internet drama in liquid form, pouring it into a pile of waterballoons, then running and splashing everyone in the face with them.
Most of these features in this poll are like that. It's like a dramamongers dream list of features. They just give idiots more reasons to act like assholes rather than providing actual useful features.|
|543||Jun 21, 2011 3:25 PM||Always fly is still a standard LL feature, even if it is obscure, so there is no issue with making it easier to find.|
|544||Jun 21, 2011 3:25 PM||Linden really needs to plug the bug that lets the 1st 4 happen. Re: IM - don't provoke LL! - it was always flaky in Emerald anyway.|
|545||Jun 21, 2011 3:22 PM||I am worried that encrypted IMs will have a problem when not using firestorm (emails, chat programs and phone apps)|
|546||Jun 21, 2011 3:21 PM||I think friendship dissolution notification just creates drama that most SL users don't need.|
|547||Jun 21, 2011 3:19 PM||You should respect people's privacy|
|548||Jun 21, 2011 3:14 PM||People should be allowed maximum privacy if they WANT such protections, but have to opt-in. One's privacy rights should supersede and not be confused with an other's right to PUBLIC information.So no one should have the right to circumvent installed privacy options others have opted-in for.
People SHOULD be allowed to easily seek out information that is OPENLY available.
People should be able to CHOOSE whether or not they are seeing or showing dissolved friendships, but not see those that the other end has chosen to hide.|
|549||Jun 21, 2011 3:14 PM||I seem to remember it was relatively easy to see if someone was hidingtheir online status in Viewer 1 as the Teleport button always lit up.
Really I see no benefit to these changes - and encrypting IMs may bring you into conflict with LL.|
|550||Jun 21, 2011 3:13 PM||Regarding Privacy, Please help me hide as much as possible. Though I understand there is "no privacy in SL" (I just wrote a script to track people to prove how easy it is) I'm not up to any bad stuffs, I just have a huge bag of emotional issues, and need to be left alone and working in SL, without going to an alt (who I can't share inventory with, anyway). LL, should also help make it more impossible to detect if other residents are on. We're all not "up to something", we just have social anxiety issues. We give special consideration to people with other disabilities, why can't we with painful mental disabilities have the same kind of consideration? Please? Not all of us are here to have a social meeting experience. We want a quiet life we can't have in RL! Making FS another FaceBook extension just sucks.
If someone wants to see if I have their box un-ticked, let them go to a crappy copy-bot client to find me. I want to make it harder to see me, NOT easier!
You don't suffer with PTSD and a fear of strangers or phone calls or leaving the house in RL. So, you can't understand how damaging the drama from this is!
RE: Flying when not allowed;
I spent 10 months building a very detailed sim, that required the visitor to WALK around and explore (even dbl click TP and allowing far camming and "camming through" pissed me off). I would eject and ban people when I caught them flying, after one warning, sometimes. LOL
As for DRUNKEN Phaylen's "god given right to fly", I'm sure she's a nice person, but someone needs to tell her that there is NO god and Always Fly is NOT a right, when I bled tears to make that build beautiful & NO FLY!
(Yes... I NEEDED fly and DblClick TP to build and maintain the place, but that should remain for land owners, for the reason of building and maintaining.)
RE: Disolved Friends;
Drama and confusion. No point in it.
The Phoenix/FS Teams ROCK! Jessica is a goddess and we are all so thankful that we have a beautiful, usable choice like FS! Thank you all! I can't wait to see what's next!:) Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!|
|551||Jun 21, 2011 3:02 PM||I agree that in most cases these features might create drama and we are all free to do as we wish, as long it is kept under respect.|
|552||Jun 21, 2011 3:01 PM||While there really is no semblance of privacy, BLATANTLY ignoring one user's preference to be hidden (to friends or otherwise) seems egotistical and patronizing.|
|553||Jun 21, 2011 3:01 PM||I do appreciate Phoenix/Firestorm for creating an alternate viewer, and for adding a lot of functionality, but I've always shied away from Phoenix and now Firestorm for privacy reasons - I do believe in these types of issues, what is common or usual in the official viewer should carry over into an TPV's.|
|554||Jun 21, 2011 3:00 PM||nope|
|555||Jun 21, 2011 2:58 PM||Hide IM is not there for Linden to spy theres to many .but in case law enforcement agencies need .If you wish to add accept the responsibility and criticism if ever used by child molester terrorist or any other .
As for others the basis of many peoples objection to Redzone was PRIVACY .
Yet now you propose limiting privacy , limiting choice .
Zfire would be proud of you ..what Me wants is only important not others ..|
|556||Jun 21, 2011 2:54 PM||On Phoenix there was a hot key on the bottom of the viewers skin with sliders to adjust the volume Master Volume, Music, Media, Voice, Sounds, Ambient, UI this is a must have for firestorm i would like to see this in the next firestorm build. I use this every day multipliable times a day. I do not want to goto preference every time some one at the club is spamming gestures and i need to turn it down fast or when i am in a voice chat with some one and need to adjust the music to a lower level real fast and keep there voice at current level you get the idea this is a must have for me! Oh and spell checker is a must have also please and thank you!|
|557||Jun 21, 2011 2:51 PM||My land. MY RULES. I really think the entire idea is offensive. If people insist on being able to fly they can stay the hell off my sim.
I think the friendship dissolving thing should be there, but should be a choice- some people don't like to know that, and some people do. I personally wouldn't use it, but others may find it useful.
I think that people should have to work harder to find out an online status that was intended to be hidden.|
|558||Jun 21, 2011 2:49 PM||seriously these are all privacy issues. After all your hardwork after the emerald crisis, getting over that, getting the faith of people back and providing a new excellent viewer (really top job), why try and undo all that hardwork|
|559||Jun 21, 2011 2:47 PM||Encrypted IM's should be optional. The rest, if LL wants fixed, should be fixed server side.|
|560||Jun 21, 2011 2:47 PM||i want my privacy.|
|561||Jun 21, 2011 2:46 PM||The above options will have no effect on my decision to use Firestorm|
|562||Jun 21, 2011 2:43 PM||I feel like these are all privacy intrustive features and a bad step in the wrong direction.|
|563||Jun 21, 2011 2:42 PM||Privacy concerns are a bit deal for me, and for many users I would suspect. While some of the suggestions are very interesting ideas, they, to me, are things I do not want, as they impinge on my privacy.|
|564||Jun 21, 2011 2:40 PM||more interested in reliability, speed & customization|
|565||Jun 21, 2011 2:39 PM||Every one of those are horrible options that serve only to stir up drama and feed the needs of the selfish. Makes your team look bad for even considering them.|
|566||Jun 21, 2011 2:31 PM||User privacy should always be of paramount importance. This includes the ability to hide online status (though group rosters break that feature) and encrypting IMs.|
|567||Jun 21, 2011 2:31 PM||For me, OTR is a must. I don't see how that can be considered controversial in the least. The only people effected by it are the ones that use it and LL. And if LL had a problem with it they would have banned viewers that included it a long time ago.|
|568||Jun 21, 2011 2:31 PM||Thanks for asking for user input|
|569||Jun 21, 2011 2:16 PM||Not sure about the last one. Ive been able to do this with CNTL-ALT-V with every viewer ive used, even with the standard LL viewers. So not a big issue to me.|
|570||Jun 21, 2011 2:13 PM||I have no problem with it telling someone a friendship is dissolving while they are logged in, but if the person is not logged in there is no automated message. This is the way it is currently and prefer it to stay as such.|
|571||Jun 21, 2011 2:12 PM||Showing online status regardless of people's choice not to be shown BREAKS EVERY OTHER VIEWER. It makes the option meaningless, but nobody not using Firestorm will know that unclicking the checkbox has no effect. (No, users of Kirstens or SL V2 or whatever will not be reading your release notes.)
Always-fly is just as bad. There are reasons -- usually to do with realistic roleplay -- that landowners turn flying off, but this unilaterally ignores their wishes.
Both of these changes effectively remove features from Second Life. If LL themselves wanted to do these things, well, I wouldn't like that either, but they have the authority to do that, because it's their platform -- it isn't yours. Frankly, that you are even considering these leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The taste of Emerald.
Showing when someone has hidden their online status and when they dissolve a friendship are skirting the edge of this, but I'll let those go.
My voting down IM encryption is conditional on the legal implications. If LL don't have a problem with it, neither do I (although I have no particular demand for it), but you need to look into that before you start sending encrypted messages through LL's servers, not after. (Sending them directly viewer-to-viewer has obvious privacy implications.) If LL don't have common carrier status regarding in-world communications they could end up liable for illegal content they have no way of knowing was being sent. If word from LL is no encrypted IM's, then adding encrypted IM's is a showstopper.|
|572||Jun 21, 2011 2:12 PM||Online status is helpful|
|573||Jun 21, 2011 2:11 PM||My privacy is important to me, the more you can do to prevent me from appearing online, the happier I will be.|
|574||Jun 21, 2011 2:07 PM||Try (the devs) to develop a line, or a style or 'character' in where you want to go.
Questions 1 and 2 (also 3) are about bypassing (breaking) others privacy settings - question 4 is the opposite, adding privacy...?|
|575||Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM||People have the right to their privacy, period.|
|576||Jun 21, 2011 2:06 PM||I need to be able to edit appearance, as I build avatars. Advanced builders tools are important.|
|577||Jun 21, 2011 2:03 PM||* On encryption, I can’t think of a legal/ethical reason to hide my IM’s from LL;
* I think that people are allowed to some intimacy, even in SL. If someone chooses to be hidden or dissolve a friendship, it their business. In fact I do want that people could actually hide their online status from other when they want.
* Always fly can be a problem in some rpg sims.|
|578||Jun 21, 2011 2:03 PM||i dont believe that showing true online status or knowing whether someone is hiding their online status from you is a privacy issue at all. they are both features that have been in phoenix, and before that emerald.. and both things can be found out by simply looking at a group that you share with the person, sending them an im, or using a free script or a hud (which will only add to lag) i feel like its not up to the viewer to decide whether this is possible, its something that is up to linden lab and they have chosen to leave these things open.
and as for the no fly thing, i dont see the point in not allowing it. there are flight scripts that can be used to allow it on no-fly enabled land, or it can be done with access to the advanced menu.
why should we take a step backwards with firestorm and start leaving out features?|
|579||Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM||Not adding the snooping features would go a long way towards showing that the Phoenix team has indeed broken with the Emerald past.|
|580||Jun 21, 2011 1:59 PM||Regarding the always able to fly, I marked Not too important, but add it because of this reason. On some regions, that don't allow flying (say, a role play region where characters cannot fly) and you fall 3,000meters into the sea, with docks preventing you from climbing up out of the water, it makes for tricky maneuvering.I like always fly option so that I can quickly get out of the water, then turn always fly off. It gets your avatar out of a jam quickly and efficiently.|
|581||Jun 21, 2011 1:59 PM||Have it like Phoenix|
|582||Jun 21, 2011 1:58 PM||It is ok|
|583||Jun 21, 2011 1:57 PM||all of these are great features to have. I Love Phoenix because it gave us so much freedom in SL. without these options its the same as Viewer 2 and you lose all freedom.|
|584||Jun 21, 2011 1:55 PM||Generally I'm against anything that violates the privacy expectations of a user using the standard LL viewer. The fact that other people write code that do this doesn't mean that (a) it's the right thing to do, or that (b) LL will continue to tolerate it|
|585||Jun 21, 2011 1:52 PM||These are all wrong. I wouldn't use any viewer that has these|
|586||Jun 21, 2011 1:48 PM||Privacy is important|
|587||Jun 21, 2011 1:47 PM||love firestorm its awesome|
|588||Jun 21, 2011 1:46 PM||People should have the right to their privacy, whatever the reason. If others are hiding from me, I don't want to know about it.|
|589||Jun 21, 2011 1:46 PM||None of them is a dealbreaker -- I don't use the features in Phoenix and I won't use them in Firestorm if they're added, but I wish they weren't there.|
|590||Jun 21, 2011 1:43 PM||I think its very important not to add anything that's a breach of privacy|
|591||Jun 21, 2011 1:41 PM||None of the above bother me (eg friends you've hidden your online status from can tell from the dashboard if you have unchecked their ability to see you online). If a friend doesn't want me to see they are online I figure they have their reasons, I'm not interested in 'catching' them or knowing why. I don't mind if I can or can't always fly on someone else's land but then I'm not a sim owner. It's easy enough to see if someone removed you from their friends' list - if you don't notice for a while then it's not a big deal anyway, so I don't mind either way there. My particular favourite FS 'extras' are the area search, radar, the TP history and the inbuilt AO, off the top of my head. I like the adaptations you've made to the sidebar (I used LL's V2 for a few at Christmas, so appreciate the differences). You have enough 'extras' to keep me if you lose all of the above features but including them won't stop me using FS.|
|592||Jun 21, 2011 1:39 PM||As a sim owner/estate manager/business person in SL, to me it's very important to be able to keep track of who my friends are, and who no longer considers themselves my friend. Personally, I don't see dissolved friendship notifications / true online status as privacy issues, but rather useful management tools for what I do in SL. I *could* live without them, but I'd rather not. I'm not going to say I won't use Firestorm without them, but if another viewer offered the capability, that would be a reason for me to consider other viewers. As for encryption, and supposedly hiding IM's from Linden, I think it's a bad idea. SL is Linden's sandbox and their rules. They have a right to see what happens in-world. privacy only applies to what they do with the information. As for flying.. makes no difference to me at all.|
|593||Jun 21, 2011 1:38 PM||I am an aviator in SL, that means i have to walk the narrow path between performance, stability and detail. I'd rather see some features left out than the performance of FS going down. otherwise i have no go's or no- go's. You did a great job so far^^|
|594||Jun 21, 2011 1:36 PM||make firestorm less laggy/.|
|595||Jun 21, 2011 1:35 PM||hoipefully more surveys on more important issues in viewer usefullness and not on stuff as silly as most of these Qs but i like the range of choices on each Q|
|596||Jun 21, 2011 1:34 PM||Flight-capable AVs... Angels, dragons, etc. - should never be prohibited from flying. Sometimes it's the fastest way to escape a security orb!|
|597||Jun 21, 2011 1:33 PM||friendship/spying options: the information they provide is nice to know but I can live without it
online/offline: it can be done with any scripted object. the gui really helps though
flying: would be nice to activate it without the admin options
encryption: I'd only need it if someone won't IM me without it|
|598||Jun 21, 2011 1:33 PM||The above are not especially important to me. What *is* important for me is the ability to see shadows and DOF on my Mac!
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400S CPU @ 2.50GHz (2500 MHz)
Memory: 8192 MB
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Darwin 10.7.4 Darwin Kernel Version 10.7.4: Mon Apr 18 21:24:17 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1504.14.12~3/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
Graphics Card Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc.
Graphics Card: ATI Radeon HD 6750M OpenGL Engine
Even more important are the enhanced building tools.
Thank you for doing such a great job! I love the Firestorm viewer and have been using it from the first time you made it available for the public.|
|599||Jun 21, 2011 1:32 PM||My only 'negative' choice is the 'always fly' option - I believe the parcel owner should have the right to prohibit flying and don't feel it's ethical to override that.|
|600||Jun 21, 2011 1:31 PM||I'd rather you not add any of them.|
|601||Jun 21, 2011 1:31 PM||I am assuming normal scripting and Debug menu functionality (i.e. using scripts to check online status, and View Admin Options to enable always fly). If these features are not available in Firestorm through these general viewer-independent means, then they are in fact important to me. But I went with the assumption that I can get that functionality regardless of which viewer I use.|
|602||Jun 21, 2011 1:27 PM||The bridge should have a plugins architecture so that users may add their own scripts on the avatar side, and then their own plugins on the viewer side to talk to each other. The in world side should fully honor permissions to prevent content theft, but otherwise allow interaction with LSL. The viewer side should offer a CGI style interface identical to apache web server, so the whole library of cgi's instantly becomes accessible to the LSL script running inworld :-) It should be equivalent to the existing LSL interface to remote webservers,in this case it's not an external world web server, but a CGI gateway right in the viewer. These ideas are hereby (un)licensced: dumped into public domain, or to be brought under the existing licensure for Firestorm source code. FLOSS frequently :-)|
|603||Jun 21, 2011 1:23 PM||none|
|604||Jun 21, 2011 1:23 PM||The right of a person to have privacy should supercede others desire to invade that privacy. Flying, on the other hand, is not a privacy issue and restricting it only inhibits freedom of movement and makes SL a real pain. I tend to avoid places that ban flight.|
|605||Jun 21, 2011 1:22 PM||just confirming like in phoenix the ability to see who,s decided to hide there online status from you n what permistions they have gave you.|
|606||Jun 21, 2011 1:19 PM||N/A|
|607||Jun 21, 2011 1:16 PM||The changes biser liked me very well, even if some things are very verstekt, you could make it clearer how the phoenix viewres.|
|608||Jun 21, 2011 1:14 PM||You've outdone yourselves- keep up the amazing work!|
|609||Jun 21, 2011 1:14 PM||friendship notifications are a pain, the feature has no value and removing a 'friend' that hasn't spoken to you for months often leads to questions of don't you like me anymore.
My personal belief about encryption of Im's even before the Emerald fiasco, was that its wrong to hide things from Linden labs while using their severs, reguardless of personal feelings about them. now after said fiasco, I firmly believe that any viewer encorperating ways of hiding IM sessions from LL so they cannot investigate ToS breaches 'disclosure' should be banned, from being used, on linden servers|
|610||Jun 21, 2011 1:12 PM||having a viewer show you show disolved friendships just creates drama, not like SL doesnt already have TONS of that :P|
|611||Jun 21, 2011 1:11 PM||HORRIBLE SURVEY !!
Do not make firestorm the stalker greifer viewer phoenix/emerald was. If you can see mine, I can see yours - no opt out, no exceptions. Always fly degrades the SL experience detracts from the hard work put into make a build. Firestorm users are not gods.|
|612||Jun 21, 2011 1:11 PM||the show hidden status would be cool. If they don't want me to see them online I don't see a reason to have them in my flist.|
|613||Jun 21, 2011 1:11 PM||i have crashed more on this viewer :( and I would like to be able to save what windlight i use everytime i crash, log, or go to a diff sim im always haveing to switch back to waht i want on windlight its annoying|
|614||Jun 21, 2011 1:11 PM||I've probably used all of them with thinking about it, but I'm really not bothered either way. There are enough other ways to do the "privacy invasion" ones that it doesn't bother me whether they're there or not.|
|615||Jun 21, 2011 1:09 PM||I normally use Imprudence because it is less nosey|
|616||Jun 21, 2011 1:09 PM||I hope that you will put most of Phoenix's features in , since it was such a great client. I know you guys will do awesome.|
|617||Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM||why change what we are al used to? any damage would have been done already and we all seem to be getting along just fine..|
|618||Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM||Most of the social options are lost on me atm|
|619||Jun 21, 2011 1:08 PM||The true online status feature is something that can be accomplished with a simple script in-world. I make the most use of it seeing if support people for various products are on-line, because I prefer to use IMs over notecards which can be lost or more easily ignored.|
|620||Jun 21, 2011 1:04 PM||LL should always be able to see IM history, especially if there is confrontation or TOS abuse between 2 users. It makes no sense to have the ability to hide online status from a friend or person if they are going to be notified that you did it. If someone chooses to have their online status hidden, then it should be hidden. It is the user's right to protect their online status.|
|621||Jun 21, 2011 1:04 PM||These features are already on Phoenix and the world did not end, so keep the same functionality with Firestorm.
In fact, I would say that these features are part of the reason Phoenix is so successful - Firestorm should not be your Father's viewer (LL has already done that) !|
|622||Jun 21, 2011 12:59 PM||The items I've selected as very important to add are a few of the features that I really enjoyed in Phoenix. They won't stop me from using Firestorm, but they added some very useful functionality on my end of the viewer. The other choices were more of convenience features to me. I found it nice to know when someone removed me from their friend list, and honestly didn't really use the OTR that much, but it was kind of a nifty thing to have around.|
|623||Jun 21, 2011 12:55 PM||Without OTR, I simply refuse to use a viewer.|
|624||Jun 21, 2011 12:54 PM||The only one I don't approve of is adding a notification of dissolved friendship. Its a waste of a click and can spur drama. But I'm all for choice so I wouldn't mind seeing it as a option that can be turned off.|
|625||Jun 21, 2011 12:54 PM||Would it be possible for the Bridge to be modified to allow defeating "Show True Online status"? One would need to make clear to store owners, though, that this would likely break scripts in their stores that show if they're online, and it'd naturally only work if the person was online.|
|626||Jun 21, 2011 12:53 PM||allowing fly anywhere will spoil roleplay sims, where it does not fit in with the theme.|
|627||Jun 21, 2011 12:53 PM||Please don't take away abilities of land owners to set policies on their land.|
|628||Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM||No Comment|
|629||Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM||there used to be a button in the edit box, that removed the highlights connected to RenderHighlightSelections|
|630||Jun 21, 2011 12:50 PM||IM encryption is of limitted value at best. As long as I have the option not to use it and that doesn't interfere in any way with my IMing others, I don't care. It needs to figure itself out and not spam me with whatever it's doing. If you do add it, make it easy to remove in case LL declares it forbidden at some point.
I know online status can be found anyway, but there's no reason to make it easier for somebody to be bothered when they want to work in peace.
If more people realized the contacts list was just that and not who was actually a friend, I'd not care. Otherwise, those features just add drama.
Fly in no-fly has gotten me unstuck from some spots I'd otherwise have had to tp out of a sim to get free from. Of course double click TP now does the same thing. I just like the option.|
|631||Jun 21, 2011 12:50 PM||most who need to fly in a no fly use the advanced ctl-alt-V to activate anyway|
|632||Jun 21, 2011 12:48 PM||I think landowners should be able to control options on their land. I may not like it, but for me, it's a matter of respecting the owner's wishes. I think people have the right to expect privacy, so I have voted to not know or let others know when online, or dissolving friendships. Why have yet another opportunity for DRAMA on SL? People either get along or they do not. Why aggravate the situation with those options? Jessica - I want to thank the entire team for all the work you have put into Firestorm and Phoenix. It has made my SL experience much more pleasant.|
|633||Jun 21, 2011 12:47 PM||I'm conflicted on 'always fly'. I *hate* being grounded, but recognize it may 'break content' in some places.|
|634||Jun 21, 2011 12:47 PM||I wouldn't change anything|
|635||Jun 21, 2011 12:46 PM||The best thing about phoenix/firestorm is that it is totally customizable by the user (assuming they can figure out the settings)
No two people use exactly the same settings...
One size does NOT fit all...
If people don't want to use a particular function then they can switch it off.
Getting Firestorm to emulate Phoenix as far as possible is essential for us oldies who really do NOT like the V2 interface; whilst still being V2 compatible for newbies and those who LOVE the v2 interface but who want the extras that Phoenix brough to the SL experience.
It isn't necessary to introduce them all at once immediately; given the amount of rewriting required: but please do keep them available for those who particularly need/want them.
Flying is THE one I really use the most though... please keep that one...|
|636||Jun 21, 2011 12:45 PM||The ability to see if someone has appear offline is important, it helps me determine who to remove from my list first when its clean up time. That along with true online status is neccesary if im trying to get ahold of someone and its urgent+important|
|637||Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM||land owners have always had the option to restrict flying|
|638||Jun 21, 2011 12:43 PM||I am generally against anything that reduces the perceived level of privacy in SL, although in some cases (such as non-friend online status) there are so many 3rd party tools to do this that there is no point in not including it.|
|639||Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM||land owners set 'no fly' for a reason, we should respect that. as to online status, scripted objects in world already get this, and the LL profile based online status is known to be buggy independent of privacy settings I've relied on this not to snoop but as a more accurate picture of which of my friends is online and available.|
|640||Jun 21, 2011 12:42 PM||When we really want an IM session to be private, we want it PRIVATE, period, so it would be nice to have that feature.|
|641||Jun 21, 2011 12:41 PM||Importent Features are also:
Buyild Menue: copy/Past of Values
Letter search in inventory and content (build menue)
seperate sound cache,
instand volume controll
Progressive Draw Distance
Channel selection in chat window
Show message when someone takes a snapshoot
Reset Voice chat, and when possible reset Media plugin
(couse when stream fails ons it dosnt play again on same parcel, only relog helps|
|642||Jun 21, 2011 12:41 PM||i wont use it until you put the spell checker in it. as soon as i saw it wasnt there i stopped using it.|
|643||Jun 21, 2011 12:39 PM||I think that any choice that allows one user to override another user's wish for privacy should be excluded from any viewer. Overriding a basic choiceless feature by adding the ability to choose it is one thing, but "spying" and keeping tabs on people who dont wish to be seen or bothered or found is stalking.|
|644||Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM||They all seem pretty neat to have in Firestorm.|
|645||Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM||S.Count pls pl spls pls pls pls pls|
|646||Jun 21, 2011 12:38 PM||Great work so far, i look forward to seeing Firestorm improve yet further over time.|
|647||Jun 21, 2011 12:37 PM||Encrypted IM's is bad for LL to be able to deal with malicious acts, of which there are tons on SL.
The online status is really handy, the friends thing is just a bonus|
|648||Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM||personal privicy is important to me. on my chats and freinds and not so good freinds. plus on my land. i want to controll the access. so if i say dont fly. or dont come on my land.. you cant.|
|649||Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM||As i see it, those features is a two sided blade, they can either be very useful, or be very hazardous.|
|650||Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM||every single one of these features seems to violate the wishes or intentions of another user.NOT GOOD. My freedom to do what I want stops at the boundary of another person. You are not providing freedom with these features, you're providing the means to take away someone elses. Seriously, this is very very NOT GOOD.|
|651||Jun 21, 2011 12:36 PM||I will NOT use Firestorm without the Phoenix building tools|
|652||Jun 21, 2011 12:35 PM||FS is already replacing V2. Bugfixes are needed, cosmetic changes can be implemented later.|
|653||Jun 21, 2011 12:34 PM||nONE|
|654||Jun 21, 2011 12:34 PM||I love the viewer but am missing some of the features found in the phoenix viewer.|
|655||Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM||These questions are more based on privacy and protection, i would rather see some more interesting things in this poll|
|656||Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM||Privacy matters, but relying on machines to safeguard it is foolish and unreliable at best.|
|657||Jun 21, 2011 12:33 PM||Being able to see if someone is really online/offline is important to me. I don't want to pester customers by always replying when they're offline. This was one of the features I enjoyed most in Phoenix.|
|658||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||just keep up the good work!|
|659||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||In my opinion, adding these features is a violation of TOS and an individuals privacy.|
|660||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||Only that I am surprised you only ask us these, when there are so many other questions to ask. I just d/l and used Firestorm for a day but have switched back to Phoenix. Even given I am new to it, it's cumbersome and too much like Viewer 2|
|661||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||I found the encryption to be a pain in the butt, never worked right and mess it up for your use if others didn't use it. I turned it off completely|
|662||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||controlling one's privacy should be emphasized|
|663||Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM||bring back the skin of Phoenix, the Firestorm is too much hideous like viewer 2|
|664||Jun 21, 2011 12:31 PM||everyoen has the right to show up as offline for multiple reasons , now if u wont to build in peace u need an alt. every net application i can think of has the ability to use it as showing offline. people deleted me without further explanation because i put myself offline
major drama maker!!!|
|665||Jun 21, 2011 12:31 PM||I've been on Phoenix Viewer since its conception, was on Emerald Viewer before that. If possible, add the features found in Phoenix today into the Firestorm of tomorrow. Thank you for a great piece of software|
|666||Jun 21, 2011 12:31 PM||Im used to having all the features now in Phoenix. Id like to keep them please.
We were promised to have them all added where possible.|
|667||Jun 21, 2011 12:29 PM||wherees meshhhhhh ?|